11:43:28 watches this. This is the first words they're going to see.
11:43:34 Yeah, I know, I
11:43:39 know, our things.
11:43:43 I'm seeing some good. I actually started. Sorry for the delay Oh, I actually got some time to work on the simulation simulation so I will give some updates problem Monday.
11:44:00 Good.
11:44:18 Jim.
11:44:42 A couple minutes.
11:45:33 Actually, I said the question though.
11:45:36 So, there is a one pull request hidden since like February from Docker, I was curious if we should merge it or it still needs to be checked.
11:45:48 Oh, make them. Pull Request mayor, I think it's you read, select from February, whatever.
11:45:54 Okay.
11:45:59 You've done.
11:46:16 I don't remember either February was a long time ago, I think, duck, edit the epsilon output Oh yeah, that's right. I added epsilon to the output, rather than requiring people to
11:46:24 calculate it.
11:46:28 If I got permission from me so that I can just merge it right now because it seems like ever since seems to be working.
11:46:34 Yeah, sure.
11:46:36 Gotcha. So I'm imagining it right now.
11:46:49 Have. Yep.
11:46:50 Sorry, so he's a nightmare was that you can bunch of pull requests recently.
11:46:55 Yeah, I vaguely remember talking about that pull request and then
11:47:03 disappeared from my, my, my site.
11:47:33 Okay, why don't we get started.
11:47:37 So, just for the record, that's the TPX meeting right. I have too many meetings today I met a little bit confused.
11:47:45 The TX meeting. Okay.
11:47:48 Okay, so I'm just going to go over one or two things.
11:47:58 So we'll start by sharing my screen can people see that.
11:48:04 Okay, so you should have all received the email I sent.
11:48:11 And I just wanted to confirm that we have been given the two weeks of tests beam nov 15 to 28.
11:48:22 This is Monday, till Sunday, two week period.
11:48:27 This is Monday, till Sunday, two week period, and the only other thing is, I hope and I expect that we will be allowed to travel by then and it will be possible to to work in a reasonable manner, the daisy testing.
11:48:44 So I'm putting together the, the five by five caliber amateur to just ship sometime in September.
11:48:54 And hopefully you're underneath and we'll be able to come up to the Boston sometime.
11:49:06 To test the
11:49:13 acquisition.
11:49:17 Okay, any questions about the, the testing, you have a question, give me, you know, an approximate idea how many people we need and who and who plans to go.
11:49:29 So that, because you have to do some other planning for music as well. Sure.
11:49:49 It was in two large wooden boxes last time.
11:49:54 It may be a little bit more this time, because I'm also shipping, the chiller.
11:50:07 And
11:50:07 so, it's useful to have a good number of people at the beginning to set things up and or you have to organize the, the experimental area, get a rack, get a translation table installed.
11:50:28 And then you need to position the calorie emitter cable it. And we're doing a lot of cabling this time.
11:50:39 And, you know, usually in parallel with that Jaan and in the past it was a beat so but I'm hoping it's Yon and Ethan will be in the, in the counting room, getting the electronics and data acquisition system up and running.
11:51:00 Well the rest of us are
11:51:00 getting the calorie limiter in place, aligning with the laser alignment and connecting the high voltage signal cables and all the other nonsense that's required.
11:51:14 So I think, let me ask you here is this all going to happen during this two weeks, or it's just going to some of it going to happen before to two weeks have been time, all in the two weeks.
11:51:24 Oh wow, so half of the time is used up for setting up. Well, hopefully it doesn't take the whole week to set up.
11:51:35 But I, that's why I sort of like having six people and right at the beginning, because if you only arrive, the weekend before, then you're not allowed into the testing area at all until you've had the safety lecture on Monday at one o'clock in the afternoon.
11:51:59 And then once you've had that safety lecture, then you have to get your docs card
11:52:08 authorized. And, you know, that's means usually another day. So you've got all this time that
11:52:21 you know you're, you're in active or in inefficient.
11:52:26 I'm thinking that I might go the week ahead.
11:52:29 Because normally you only have to do this safety lecture once a year but it's been over a year since I've been there or Jaan has been there, or any of the MIT graduate students.
11:52:42 So, you need. I'm thinking I might go the week before, and get the safety lecture get my deck scarred so that you know there's a small maybe a small group of us that can have access in advance.
11:53:01 So then bring you bring all the cables and everything you need. Yes, yes,
11:53:07 yes, Yes. Okay, I've got.
11:53:12 And, you know, I'm going to blame Yon for this, because he also wants to have a trigger readout system to test in parallel with the digital streaming readout systems.
11:53:27 Yep.
11:53:29 And for that, he has requested hundred foot long signal cables, so that he can delay the signal long enough, that there is time for the trigger signal to get,
11:53:49 which is a nuisance but nevermind.
11:53:52 I've also got five major long cables, which I think are sufficient for for the streaming read out. How many digitize it tends to be actually have.
11:54:04 I think the streaming on 32 for the streaming for this, for the streaming I've got the digitized state.
11:54:15 Now, I've got.
11:54:16 I bought two new sink 16. Okay, great. Okay, good. So there is, I think, 32 plus eight, maybe it's 40.
11:54:28 I think what they think took to really do something with the streaming, and that beam. I think we also have to capture the signals from the trigger detectors.
11:54:54 Somebody some of the digitized signals.
11:54:57 And I'm hoping that we have a wave board, or what's this other the the flash to 50 FA DC to 50 that they have a j lab or whatever, to test or, or did you have something else in mind is the third Reno's scheme.
11:55:17 Bobby be someone we were talking about this, this is fn card right.
11:55:23 Yeah, that's the way forward. Yeah, the base book. Okay. Yes.
11:55:27 Okay. no that's, I mean, if he could buy these detectors from from psi, these, what's his name.
11:55:41 ers evaluation Yeah, yeah, Yeah, exactly.
11:55:46 that then, but I think we can't do that in that time.
11:55:52 Yeah, well I need to get in touch with Marco, or.
11:56:00 Who's the guy and Andre,
11:56:06 to see if we can get the wave boards.
11:56:11 And before the for the flesh IDC we also need software in some form, right, or documentation. Yeah.
11:56:20 I don't know who the right person for that is it Chris. Probably, Yeah.
11:56:24 So we need to talk with Chris and see if he's got some body that would be willing to come and help set things up.
11:56:37 Yes. Okay, get back to the original question.
11:56:41 Yeah, I think it'd be very useful to have six people there right at the beginning.
11:56:49 And, you know, then when we after say we probably only get access on Tuesday.
11:56:59 And then it takes probably two days to set everything up.
11:57:04 And it probably takes a couple of days to get things to work.
11:57:09 So, yeah, most of the time most of it.
11:57:17 Yeah.
11:57:18 But the. In fact, that that's what our experience was at the last, Spain, and we got most of almost all the data was collected by events and me.
11:57:34 In the last two or three days I don't know if it's Are you on you can correct me if you.
11:57:40 Yea, it was a little bit more than two or three days. It was a week or so. Now, but anyway so we collect all the data, but then we also have to clean up at the end.
11:57:54 So I think there's good need to have for people at the end.
11:58:01 So that on Saturday and Sunday.
11:58:04 You have four people that can disassemble and repack things into the crate,
11:58:17 Saturday, Sunday right after American Thanksgiving. That's right.
11:58:21 So aside from you.
11:58:24 Douglas.
11:58:26 People come for a weekend at a time is that is that what you had in mind. Well, I'm going to come for two weeks right yeah set aside from you but yeah.
11:58:36 Other people are welcome to come for two weeks.
11:58:41 And, you know, I don't know what, what's your plans Jaan we can probably answer a lot of this right off the top of our.
11:58:53 I'm traveling, I don't know.
11:58:58 traveling, I don't know. I mean, I'm a little bit concerned about the Delta variant.
11:59:05 That's creeping up in in Germany now.
11:59:07 Yeah, so I have to be careful, because I certainly have to go to PSI if it's at all possible.
11:59:15 Right. And if they say oh yeah you can come from America to Switzerland, but if you're in Germany before.
11:59:22 Or if America says elevate your man Gemini you can't go back in. I have a problem. Yeah, so so that's that's a question mark.
11:59:32 I will certainly combine it this psi might just just make sense to have the flights somehow combined.
11:59:43 I think. Yeah, I mean, I would probably be there.
11:59:48 Maybe a couple of days before the meantime starts and, and if I can.
11:59:55 And maybe the beginning of the meantime. Yeah, So make sure that everything works. I think that's where I'm more critical than the end of the meantime.
12:00:06 And that's about it. Maybe I mean if it goes to, maybe, so we can either do it that that even an icon together, or that we flip.
12:00:18 Right.
12:00:21 So that is nice at psi when I met a daisy and the other way around. Yeah, I'm generally flexible.
12:00:29 During those two weeks for something like that.
12:00:32 Are you going to Scotland this year no right yes I am your calling. Okay. Yeah. So, so we have to plan that you know when sometime been early November.
12:00:45 Okay, so like November 10 ish.
12:00:48 Okay so, maybe. Okay, so you are your original plan was November 16, but I move things around. So your your your honeymoon might be very sharp man. Yeah.
12:01:03 He's Scotland, don't go and get married.
12:01:12 married already know.
12:01:14 Very, very long engagement. I mean, to be honest, be very careful right the the numbers in England, are horrible.
12:01:23 Yeah, right. So, before you book something where you can't get the money back yeah all deposits are refundable we've asked about that. Yeah, it's getting, it's not clear if this November Virgo.
12:01:39 I mean, don't want to marry. I mean, you don't want to have a wedding where the only guests. Are you too I guess works.
12:01:48 Actually, That's the important but
12:01:53 at least the priests needs to be there.
12:01:56 Yes, and a witness, and a witness
12:02:02 know some wedding, my honeymoon was three days, so I I bet you want to beat it
12:02:10 will see.
12:02:17 Well, you know, I brought it up exactly because of of planning issues as Mr Bean time you had a psi, which is actually quite important for us.
12:02:28 Yeah. And so, maybe, maybe what would be useful if you would make something like a doodle poll and then people could sign up but they think they made what they may want to do.
12:02:42 So the at least you have an idea that you're going to be able to get these people and get everybody there that, you know, then you can decide oh yeah I would like this person here or there, at least gives everybody some idea.
12:02:52 Yeah.
12:02:56 Patrick Are you on.
12:02:59 Yeah, I'm okay so ready, just to get ballpark, what you said you would be interested in coming, and you weren't too concerned about Thanksgiving. Yeah, I'm available for the two weeks if I could be useful for for two weeks.
12:03:15 Yeah, I think that's definitely true. But it's Thanksgiving again.
12:03:20 25 or something like that.
12:03:23 Yeah, that week.
12:03:26 It's a second week of that.
12:03:27 Okay, yeah. Yeah, it's in the, it's the Thursday the 25th of November.
12:03:40 Okay.
12:03:48 Um, so I'm, I'm, and is Gabe on.
12:03:49 Um Yes, hello. Yeah, so, I think you are an excellent I spoke earlier that you would be interested and possibly able to come.
12:04:02 And we can provide some funding I should say that some funding is available through MIT and Daisy.
12:04:12 Collaboration collaborative agreement.
12:04:14 I'm not sure how much is available but I think we can help support gave if you wanted to come. And I think we were going to help support, Ethan and yon.
12:04:28 Yeah, that's a big red.
12:04:31 And, as well as Patrick, And I don't know Patrick Have you spoken with Bobby.
12:04:40 Uh, yeah I don't think he was super keen on going. Okay, saying back wasn't isn't Kane back can't yeah his business problem.
12:04:52 Can't yeah his visa problem. I think if you if you twisted Bobby's arm he would go but I don't know how necessary. Yeah, yeah.
12:04:58 Okay, so no just.
12:05:07 I see sort of five people.
12:05:05 I can also come for one week, and I think I'm flexible either first week or second week.
12:05:32 Yeah, right. No I owe it to my, my graduate students to be there for them.
12:05:32 But I would be glad to help gave get over, but I understand gave you you have to think about your classes during that time and your family. Thanksgiving so now might be a good time to to write to your parents, and propose that you may be wanting to miss
12:05:48 Thanksgiving.
12:05:50 So this is, um, this specifically is the week around Thanksgiving versus the week of Thanksgiving, so that the time would be November 15 to the 28th. Okay, so the latter part of that is probably where your most valuable.
12:06:03 Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I mean, I can literally just go downstairs and ask them. That's right, yeah.
12:06:11 I love them all the time. So, yeah.
12:06:21 Uber I forgot I forgot Bobby.
12:06:32 Well it's volunteer Bondi for two weeks, maybe put a question mark grinded. Yeah, okay.
12:06:40 So if I think Jim should come so the gym can meet us, or pal at dz. Yeah, where you can meet your, your friend in the be strong do yeah I'm sorry I'm spending Thanksgiving with my grandkids.
12:06:54 Now I am I meant the vacuum guys.
12:06:58 Oh, Ralph, Ralph.
12:07:01 Ralph. Yeah.
12:07:07 Well, you know, the week before the first week, you could come and the Thanksgiving is in the second week.
12:07:17 I don't think you can afford me Doug.
12:07:25 I know who else is on I don't have the participants on the list at the moment I can guess I can turn it on.
12:07:33 Okay.
12:07:48 Eco.
12:07:40 Unfortunately, unfortunately I cannot join because my visa issue a freakin problem. Thanks to you as a.
12:07:48 If it's a don't know right.
12:07:51 Yeah. So he said he couldn't come on.
12:07:55 This is Bob red wine Doug, I'm on the call, but I would not be able to join unfortunate. Yeah, that, let me see if I can make something work around so I can maybe come for a week or so.
12:08:11 Now, what be nice.
12:08:23 I will try to sneak out, I will have also teaching obligations for next semester. But I think I can we go myself out by the dates question. Now, excellent.
12:08:29 You just have to come we have to find the Irish pub again.
12:08:35 Going against wake.
12:08:42 Oh good Thomas there. I know exactly where it is, so don't worry.
12:08:43 gay would you come for one week or two.
12:08:48 At this point, if I were to come I think it would probably be a one week.
12:08:52 Because I have classes and whatnot to around that time and I'm pretty busy in terms of class that semester but if it's the latter degree you guys think I'd be more useful, that probably would be fine because you know half the week is gone for break anyway.
12:09:05 Yeah.
12:09:06 But I'm not 100% sure you know either, if I can.
12:09:11 Okay, um, it's a gym.
12:09:23 Yes, so the other possibility and I haven't raised this with Richard, or wish show chain.
12:09:32 But maybe I you're on. Okay, should change. are you interested in coming to the daisy testing.
12:09:41 Yes, actually I am, um,
12:09:45 but I also have the visa issue needs to take care of. Yeah, yeah.
12:09:52 Okay, so we should look into that and also raise raise it with Richard.
12:10:00 Yeah, sure. And, but.
12:10:05 Okay, so let's you know tentatively put you down for one week.
12:10:11 And then, I think if we get the wave, orange, do you are you familiar enough with it, Jaan.
12:10:21 I have zero experience with it.
12:10:23 Okay, so I can write me some documentation for all of these things, but.
12:10:33 So, I should capitalize that.
12:10:35 So we need somebody from my NFL next we're going to test the wave for it.
12:10:40 Though I think we need the most part at at at MIT when they come up.
12:10:46 Same for the FTC okay well.
12:10:52 Right.
12:11:06 At least the basic of the software work and festival.
12:11:06 I think that's actually.
12:11:08 Otherwise I don't think it makes sense to come up now.
12:11:14 Well I think just getting the data acquisition system running would be good.
12:11:18 Well, without these things we don't know.
12:11:25 Well the digitized and you can get the digitize there to work. Yes, like that.
12:11:36 Hopefully, because now we've got the know. Anyway, so I need to talk with Marco.
12:11:40 Can I ask a question. So, how much of this test, I think, so what what I've become right now it's basically a piston electronics readout like football.
12:11:54 Meantime, and I was curious, how much of it actually requires a beam.
12:12:01 Sorry, I'm a little.
12:12:04 I mean, in principle, we could test some some discourse mix right.
12:12:12 Literally, very low read but still, I mean just flip it 90 degrees. And we can just put trigger detected on top and tested this with samples mix like we're we're like a month for example.
12:12:22 Yeah, in principle, you can do that. But it's not very efficient.
12:12:31 And it's different particles, yes, these these cosmetics they're mostly nuance and.
12:12:41 And I've probably got that big a difference at these energies.
12:12:45 But don't know.
12:12:47 Anyway, I think what we want to do is, is just make sure that the data acquisition system is working here at MIT.
12:12:59 Before we ship it, and discover that something's broken that they were missing some card or some,
12:13:10 you know, yeah the signals. Yeah, I've got signal splitters I made panels for with, I think, forget there's 32 or something panels so have three way signal splitters.
12:13:31 And we have to come up with some doesn't trigger electronics, but I think I have you have to do that on the fly anyway like static transmission they have their yeah normally they have the like they did last.
12:13:46 They had the trigger already ready to go. You just had to take the coincidence, output and plug it into your fingers into where you want the trigger Africa.
12:14:02 Now, I based on our experience from last time I was not going to send an M great,
12:14:11 because I think they had lots of men crates there.
12:14:17 And, but I'm wondering if we still should send some of the electronics that we had, like, level translators and coincidence, gate and delay generators, and if you have the space doesn't hurt.
12:14:31 Yeah, I've got them all in the lab here at MIT. So, know your space in the box.
12:14:38 Oh yeah Oh space in the box. Yeah.
12:14:44 The name is the name Craig I think redundant. But yeah, I mean if you're if you have space in the box, why not send it. But,
12:14:55 um, yeah. The other reason for having lots of people there at the beginning, is that the high voltage Internet, and the VM a crater having.
12:15:06 The other thing is, doesn't actually help if you have so many people if they can't work together.
12:15:11 Yeah, that's the other issue with right now. They're restricting two people in the hot and two people in the experimental area outside you can be. So before.
12:15:25 So before. So inside the hall but outside of the experimental area, there could be more. Yes.
12:15:31 And I guess it for people carry it in for 10 seconds, they won't scream. Yeah, probably not.
12:15:37 Okay.
12:15:39 But yeah, you need need people to help unpack and.
12:15:45 And right now, I'm not. I'm going to assemble the kennel perimeter that Daisy.
12:15:52 I'm I don't put the crystals inside the calorie monitor, until I get today's. We should ask over.
12:16:03 What's the status of the guest house and reserve the cooking.
12:16:09 Because I think the cafeteria might be partly closed. Well, at the moment it's open.
12:16:18 Okay.
12:16:20 With with restrictions like distancing.
12:16:25 And, and, I mean, I'm not sure if you want to eat. I mean, right now, the, the food situation in Germany is a little bit tricky. If you can't cook yourself.
12:16:37 And we know you can't cook so I can actually cook, but I do need the kitchen for that. And he do not have a kitchen because I'm pretty sure the common areas and the guest house will be closed.
12:16:48 Yeah, that's possible.
12:16:50 But I'm also hoping that things are better by November.
12:16:54 My fear is that we will be in the first way from Germany by then, if I look at the prognosis for for vaccination. I'm not sure if we have the second vaccination for large enough part of the population that we can stop the fourth wave, and the state of
12:17:13 area and seems to be unstoppable if you're not fully vaccinated. So first vaccination is not enough. That's what England is right now going for. Yeah, I think everyone has to be fully vaccinated or else you're just not going to be able to travel.
12:17:29 Yeah no sure but, but, I mean, vaccination can help you, but if everything is locked down even not going to the restaurant, even if your estimated,
12:17:43 you're not putting your food with you for a week.
12:18:00 Yeah.
12:17:50 Okay. I mean, we might have to back that we can go into the control room and use the microwave.
12:17:58 Well I'd pizza every day. Yeah, if you know people are operating at the testing now.
12:18:05 So somehow they're, they're making.
12:18:11 They're doing it, but have you had meetings in the group who slept in the office. That's a lot. You mean the Armenians, yeah. Who among us didn't also sleep in the office.
12:18:21 Yeah.
12:18:23 Can I ask a general question about these meantime. Yeah. So, how does it work so I've been going to work in the one shift or like, we will also do a night shift for example, So years assembly.
12:18:37 Yeah. The way it works is that you request that you can work 24 hours.
12:18:54 24 seven.
12:18:48 If you're working after normal working hours you have to have two people.
12:18:55 And similarly, if you go into the experimental area, you have to have two people.
12:19:04 So in principle, it means that the Germans assembly we could have four people in total and working into in two phases like one during the day or two people during the day and two people during the night while assembling right.
12:19:17 Yeah, yeah, in principle that works.
12:19:31 Okay, there's no additional bit two people knowledgeable and one is useful. Yeah. And I think, you know, of the knowledgeable people I think it's me and yon of pizza if he's there.
12:19:43 Everyone else I think is relatively new Bobby's been there Bobby helped with the initial setup so he, he had some experience. So right yeah it's mostly me and yon.
12:19:53 I think that.
12:19:59 And if what we did at the last test fame it ended up that it was just a visa and I, and we would run into the evening.
12:20:12 And then we would fall in the control room and say, we're going for the night.
12:20:18 But we're still collecting data, and they would run the beam automatically and we would collect really large statistics
12:20:30 overnight.
12:20:32 So we do some, you know, we would do our scans, typically, like I wrote in the email we would like to stand over the four energies to gv three four and five gv
12:20:54 If we have time for different angles in.
12:20:59 We have a chiller So in principle could test that say 25.
12:21:05 degrees, 10 degrees Celsius, minus five degrees Celsius and minus 25 Celsius
12:21:17 or something like that.
12:21:20 If we have time.
12:21:23 You know I wouldn't do all the angles and translations, as a function of temperature I would probably just fire right into the middle crystal and very the temperature for that.
12:21:38 And you could also conceivably do it for with different absorbers in the front.
12:21:45 millimeter of lead five millimeters 10 millimeters, something like that.
12:21:50 So, I think we've got lots of things we can do.
12:21:54 What remains to be seen as how much time we have, and how much we can accomplish.
12:22:03 But yeah, we can run multiple ships.
12:22:08 By the way, when we talk about late I extracted the data files for when we had zero late 10 centimeters so relating front and 20 centimeter millimeters ovulating front.
12:22:23 Yeah.
12:22:25 Do you notice any effect.
12:22:28 Let me show shared the screen. Okay, let me stop sharing the screen.
12:22:34 Okay.
12:22:39 Okay. So, these are for this two energies to gv and five GB. Yeah, beams, so blue is zero, late okay it's wrong. It's not 10 centimeters I think it's 10 millimeters.
12:22:55 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm sorry about this and 22 and 20 millimeters too.
12:23:05 So it's, you can see the fake.
12:23:08 Also for the venue him all the beams. Yeah. So, we should put that into the paper. Okay, the ghost in the paper Okay I will correct the units. Now, also is eaten there.
12:23:25 I'm here.
12:23:26 Okay, Ethan, you have like done this analysis of the, of the like position of the electron inside the crease though with all this fancy, machine learning stuff.
12:23:42 We had an undergrad who worked on that and I have, I have some of this code.
12:23:47 Ok, ok.
12:23:49 So, we also did some moving of the beam in the center of the crystal and then moving the different position.
12:24:04 From the center of the center crystal. So would something like this help to compare or beat this code of yours.
12:24:16 I will show. Yes, that would definitely be if if we have that data that's nice that would definitely be nice to look at.
12:24:24 But I don't know if you're Are you thinking of putting that in the current paper that you're working on because oh, second paper. Okay. Okay, good. What is happening for a second paper that that had been our thought was that this would be something that
12:24:39 we would write in a second paper.
12:24:41 Okay. Okay, maybe we can do this offline but, I mean, I can extract those data for you if it's it would be helpful. I think that would be very helpful.
12:24:52 Thank you. Okay, I'll get, get them to you about this tomorrow. Okay, thank you. Me too. That sounds great.
12:25:02 Okay. You're not going to show anything more pizza.
12:25:10 No, I'm done, I'm done I did myself I'm sorry. Okay.
12:25:14 Okay. Um, yeah. So, I think, in order to be efficient, it's good to have a large number of people very early on, taking things apart goes faster.
12:25:31 But you, like I said, the DMA create the high voltage mainframe is having you need at least two people to carry that out.
12:25:45 There's trolleys and things like that so you just have to lift that order the rock.
12:25:51 My plan right now is, unless something breaks.
12:25:56 I'm going to pack it up into the wooden crates, and then ask the daisy technicians to lift and that creates up onto the shielding wall, and I'll leave them there.
12:26:11 And I'll request beam time in the spring of 2022.
12:26:18 One other thing that we can contemplate is if Tanya, has the high density scintillating grab scintillating glass crystals available, then maybe she's also interested in swapping out some of the lead tongue steak and testing.
12:26:42 Others crystals should be also put it into refrigerator for cooling some downloads it could just be staying outside stationary.
12:26:51 Sorry You lost, you have today. You want them in the, in the Monte Carlo.
12:26:57 Okay. gotcha. Yeah.
12:27:02 Excuse me.
12:27:03 Okay. Anything else Any other questions on the test fame so I think we've got a good sampling of people I'll check with behind me.
12:27:16 And, oh, the other thing is that
12:27:22 they require a small group to become experts Now typically it was me and yon and debates that were experts and are required us to be present in order to set the interlocks, and so Not everyone gets a card that allows them to set the interlocks on the
12:27:49 experimental area.
12:27:51 So, that's something else we have to coordinate is to
12:28:00 find who the experts are.
12:28:03 Can you explain what the principles and just the initial training, and that's it now. No, it's just that you're responsible.
12:28:13 And if something goes wrong, they blame you,
12:28:18 and felt like a job for postdocs, hey, yeah.
12:28:23 Excellent.
12:28:27 because you become a professor a bit so
12:28:33 yeah so it's, it's just that your card has some extra privilege. You need the card just to get into the, the hall, the big building that has the three experimental areas.
12:28:50 And then you need the card to get into the accounting Bay.
12:28:54 And for testing 24 we have a dedicated counting Bay, whereas test beams 21 and 22 share accounting.
12:29:05 And you need.
12:29:07 Normally the experimental areas open, and it's prohibited to have been in there when it's in that such a state but you can go come and go, without any using your card.
12:29:20 But once you want beam into the experimental area. You have to first do a pass your card over and initiate the search, and you have to go through the experimental area, pushing little buttons at various points just force you to check for dead bodies.
12:29:43 And then you go out, you close the gate and you click your, your card again and you push a button or something I can't remember.
12:29:53 And then the interlocks upset.
12:29:58 You can request beam. And, yeah, the control room, Daisy will will deliver being,
12:30:07 it's it's a very nice, simple to follow system.
12:30:14 The lecture that you get once a year is, you know, common sense.
12:30:22 Safety for radiation environments.
12:30:27 Okay, were there any other questions.
12:30:35 Nope. Okay, so I'll contact Marco and Chris Jay lab, and Tonya, to see if there's any.
12:30:48 Anybody else that may be interested I'm, I'm hoping that somebody from the electromagnetic Kalorama trade group is also interested in coming.
12:30:58 And maybe there's people from J lab or from INFN would also come.
12:31:06 And so I'm hoping that we have a good group of people there.
12:31:12 and I should, you know,
12:31:16 Jaan might not like Humbert terribly much, but I think there's lots of things to do in Hamburg. If you've got free time and the experiments running, while.
12:31:30 Normally it just requires two people to run.
12:31:35 And, you know, the rest of you can go out and explore.
12:31:39 Go to the miniature
12:31:43 Wonderland. Yes, that's the best part of Hamburg. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I lived in Hamburg for almost two years.
12:31:50 During homies times, is it, it's a great city. Yeah. Can you think of anything better than miniature Wonderland. And I say this with nothing but complete admiration for that place.
12:32:01 Well it depends if you're into music Symphony the opera, they've got that huge new concert hall.
12:32:11 They have a lot of musicals too. Right. Yeah, yeah, their secret to talk about the conferences, because I need to leave in a few minutes. Oh yeah. Okay, so I just wanted to raise that there is the upcoming conferences.
12:32:26 So there's the that I think are applicable to this group.
12:32:31 There's panic.
12:32:34 At the beginning of September, normally would have been held in Lisbon which would have been very nice to go but they've decided that will be purely online.
12:32:46 However, they deadline for submitting an abstract to it is in whatever in three days.
12:32:55 So if people are interested.
12:33:01 They should submit an abstract, I was thinking of writing a general TX abstract that could be used everywhere in these, these three conferences and just submitted men we can argue about who go is, or who would like to present.
12:33:23 But for panic I think it's only one top right, that will not be like a DMP much of the talks possible. Right, that's, that's what I think, you know, I think, excellent you will talk at panic about Olympus.
12:33:38 I was I told you I would make an abstract for that, and I still intend to okay we could talk about it could could could be combined if we wanted to FX, and Olympus yields a talk if I think this might be an opportunity for somebody else also give a talk
12:33:53 because it's a right, it's a very cheap conference it's 45 bucks to register. Yeah, and we don't have to fly. Yeah, so, so, I think one of the students and postdocs should give a talk there.
12:34:07 Yeah, right. And if nobody wants I can give it but ya know it, I think you're right i think this should go to one of the students. I don't know if anybody interested.
12:34:20 Patrick Are you interested in giving a talk.
12:34:24 Yeah, yeah. Are we talking specifically about panic because I'm already giving a class called target DMP.
12:34:29 Yeah, no, I think panic is what we're talking about right now.
12:34:36 And I would, I can write the abstract and I think it should be a TEDx talk, you know, covering all aspects of defects the physics, the experimental outline, things like that.
12:34:51 For DNP, on the other hand, I think we could break down and have some individual talks there's t Beck's, we could have a test beam.
12:35:04 Results talk, you. I don't know if ever Can you want to the target or somebody. I will interrupt the soul visa discussing it done the, as this is not a nice time for me because I will be in Switzerland.
12:35:23 During this time, and but Zucca from our group. He will be participating in undergrad session and he might give a target Boca and plus some simulation updates from his results.
12:35:34 Okay, that's, that sounds fine, can you get an abstract.
12:35:40 By the end of the month.
12:35:45 There's often.
12:35:46 Yeah, I'm writing it right now. Okay, great. So, I was going to talk about the dark light aspect, but if nobody else wants, I will do, TX overview talk.
12:36:01 But actually, maybe that's something for, for, Ethan.
12:36:06 I mean for panic.
12:36:09 You, one can also do for development of in this development of accelerators in detectors we can talk about that there's been two,
12:36:22 or is this something else. I thought for panic they would only be one two packs talk.
12:36:30 Yeah, for again hey you could have have a test beam talk. So does anybody want to give an overview talk at the end of topics. Wow, I could do that if no one else wants to.
12:36:46 Okay, so maybe if it does that. Yeah, that sounds fine. Okay. Oh no, it's just new information because or hand send out an email not too long ago. So it's on the 11th through the 14th, and it's in person does not it is not planned for a hybrid mode.
12:37:03 You have different information here.
12:37:07 I think it's still up in the air and it really depends on how
12:37:13 we're hoping it will be in person and I know Richard is already planning to get room at at the, whatever it is the park Plaza, and spend his time there.
12:37:27 Yeah, we're hoping it'll be in person.
12:37:31 But we also think that a number of the presentations will be remote.
12:37:39 It will be probably still very hard to travel from Europe to the US. Yeah, well it said explicitly this done a hybrid option that they're not planning to do it.
12:38:00 it says in person and no hybrid mode artists at that. Yeah. Hmm.
12:38:03 Well, in this email that was sent out by the APS DMP, and he is the organizer right. Yeah, yeah.
12:38:11 Okay, well, I'll be sure to double check that true then, then, then you should be careful how you notice it because that's what people know when they've been there.
12:38:22 I agree, I agree, I just, I mean, if it's if they really don't have it hybrid in the sense that some presentation can be online. I think they would have a problem.
12:38:32 Yeah. People coming from Europe will or Japan or things like that.
12:38:38 They are not allowed in right now. Right.
12:38:44 And I don't see this changing I think Biden will play this very very safe now.
12:38:53 So, For DNP, I think if Ethan you give an overview talk, a visa if you wanted to give a target talk.
12:39:08 I think it will be extremely difficult to travel there from Europe. Yeah.
12:39:13 If it was online.
12:39:14 If it's with online. Nope. Nope, I think I will my abs expires in August. Okay, and now. Yeah, I think they will not allow me if I'm not a PS member membership.
12:39:34 You mean, it's enough if you and the German one, and I don't know if you increase your that's probably also physics society they might have cross, yet they have, they don't have the name agreement, gross agreement, trying to run, then, is it cheaper,
12:39:54 it's, I think it's cheaper, and it helps you more. Yeah, happier with the stuff you do at MIT at mommy.
12:40:03 And then the CPG meeting, I mean DPG is the largest physics organization in the world.
12:40:12 Take a look. If it's off if it's online.
12:40:23 Is there is online option then it would be very helpful but. And, yeah, then yes, but if it's travel, I think not talk, if you talk to or maybe tell him.
12:40:34 This is a bad idea.
12:40:39 And, okay then the last conference is electromagnetic interactions with nuclear ions and nuclei.
12:40:48 And this one is at the end of October beginning of November.
12:40:55 It's in Cyprus Jaan axle. And I have all been there.
12:41:02 Yeah I'm planning to be there but I'm talking and planning to talk about Olympus.
12:41:07 Okay. And, I mean, I could cook this nobody else comes, I can put it in, maybe maybe project gives me an invite to talk longer talk then I can put it in, but I think this will be a chance for somebody else to also go.
12:41:24 Yeah,
12:41:26 I wouldn't mind going again but if I'm not.
12:41:32 Not too fast either or since I'll probably go, I'll be at the daisy testing. so you know a week later or something.
12:41:43 Yeah, I might actually be in Europe anyway right between psi and Daisy and then it's just a fly over to Cyprus.
12:41:55 Yeah.
12:41:57 Yeah.
12:41:55 Anyway, all create abstracts an overview of cheap acts and.
12:42:02 So far there isn't a deadline for abstracts to EINN.
12:42:11 However Richards on the organizing committee so I can ask him, again, there's there's a deadline.
12:42:22 Okay, so anything else that people want to raise.
12:42:31 No.
12:42:35 Okay,
12:42:38 Um, then. On Monday we have the Monte Carlo meeting at 12 o'clock.
12:42:45 It will start at 12 o'clock, unlike this meeting, actually.
12:42:52 Can we move this meeting a little bit back, because I have left going and I have at 11 the amber member Memorandum of Understanding writing group.
12:43:06 Okay, people I will need to leave. Bye bye.
12:43:14 Um, we keep on changing the times and I know what's up I could be say 1145. Well that was a mistake from today's meeting 1145 was what we wanted for today's meetings or Thursday meetings, yeah this today.
12:43:30 Yeah, I don't know. So, next week, the next Thursday meeting. Yeah, then two weeks. Yes, we will have it at 1145 for 12 hour and 45 by this for something you requested, I think.
12:43:50 This is for something you requested, I think. So, if I remember correctly from the doodle poll. Zero several conflicts. So I think if you people are able only to journal, 12, others were available from 11 to 12 and we made a compromise to be 15 minutes
12:44:07 early so that everyone could participate or partially joins a meeting. That's definitely not me that you said that already for Monday and it was not me on Monday that I think it was Michael probably and if you remember, but zero conflicts.
12:44:20 Yeah, I remember having to leave at 12.
12:44:24 Oh, okay. Okay.
12:44:27 It just might be that next week I have to call out in two weeks after come later.
12:44:32 Yeah, Actually in two weeks I'll be in Germany.
12:44:35 So I might also not come at all.
12:44:41 Okay, Michael is in Germany. Now, I know. So, and he's not here. So, yeah, but good to say, yeah, Yeah.
12:44:49 All right.
12:44:52 Anything else no but we have the dockside meeting in 15 minutes right. That's right. Okay. See you then. Okay. Have a Good morning everyone. Bye bye.
12:45:03 Okay, so I can just stay in here I guess right, we have a plan, like,
12:45:12 yeah, we could stay on. I'm actually going to stop the recording so that I can add it to the Indiegogo site.
12:45:21 But yeah, you guys can stay in and I'll, I'll come back to him How you doing,
12:45:31 He's asleep.
12:45:43 Alright, I'm gonna mute myself and be back in 15 minutes. Yeah.
12:45:46 Why is it the same link.
12:45:49 Yes, the same like, No, I'm gonna take everyone out, you're going to have to login again. Well, right.