12:59:26 Sorry I saw a brief video of Richard, but it looked like he was outside.
12:59:33 Indeed, I saw that too.
12:59:45 I stand.
13:00:01 I know you
13:00:04 are young.
13:00:10 Hey,
13:00:17 video camera failed. Good morning, good afternoon.
13:00:25 Hi Bob. Hi, Doug I think my video camera failed for some reason I'm going to try leaving the meeting and coming back. Okay.
13:00:54 We're back.
13:01:08 Richard was on earlier but I don't know what happened to.
13:01:58 Catherine Did you receive the announcement of the of this meeting.
13:02:04 Yes, I did. So I think I'm successful in whatever mailing list. Thanks a lot. Okay, good.
13:02:34 Yeah, maybe we'll wait another minute or two to see if Richard calls in or.
13:02:45 He was on earlier, but
13:02:50 it looked like he was out walking, so maybe he missed time that I'm getting back to the house in time so
13:03:06 I had sent Ross an email or a text on Skype so hopefully you're trying to now
13:03:23 Diane's managed to arrange a meeting for the Canadians.
13:03:30 Yeah, I think there was a time selected over what it is.
13:03:34 21st I think because he's away next week.
13:03:42 Right.
13:03:49 The cap Congress's this week as that. That's right, it's out of your attending.
13:03:58 Yeah.
13:04:00 You can you can do all kinds of things at conferences now, never have to leave your home.
13:04:08 Think my record is three meetings at the same time.
13:04:13 My wife was doing that allows yesterday she has to conferences and some other meeting going on.
13:04:20 Nobody knows.
13:04:22 Right.
13:04:24 Blank your picture you could be anywhere.
13:04:40 Okay, why don't we just get started and Richard will join when he when he finally makes it home, I guess.
13:04:52 So, I've been told that Jim Kelsey, and probably Ernie will not be able to attend today.
13:05:01 They have some doe meeting going on, so.
13:05:11 Ah, there is Richard.
13:05:14 Hi, Richard.
13:05:20 He's muted.
13:05:27 And they asked us.
13:05:28 Sorry about that I have in my notes somehow the wrong.
13:05:33 Zoom link so I was sitting in Richard Milner's empty office for a few minutes there.
13:05:43 Richard your bow, you were there.
13:05:52 Okay.
13:05:55 So, so far, Richard it's disappeared again from the participant. No, he's left his, his picture up for us.
13:06:07 I'm sorry again.
13:06:08 Yeah, yeah.
13:06:11 Okay, why don't we just get started. So as I was saying Jim and Ernie are probably not going to be able to attend today.
13:06:20 earlier Mike said that later this month.
13:06:24 That will be a meeting of the Canadian contingent on dark light.
13:06:32 And I think, what else do you have anything new Jaan.
13:06:39 Actually, yes. So, right now this conference on my document at the Heroes program in my in Germany.
13:06:58 And I learned about other barely made measurements, so there's a measurement in preparation at Lin FM.
13:07:10 And they had the first prototype detector spilled and tested, and they think, stop the timelines are completely clear but they hope they can go ahead and the next couple of weeks, or month.
13:07:17 And so, so that's fun.
13:07:19 Of course there's the one who want to know.
13:07:22 I also heard that. But I haven't seen it yet, I will get the slides on pretty soon. This has been a new measurement by the chunky group on carbon.
13:07:33 I think it's not talking, but essentially on carbon.
13:07:36 And if that is true, it will root out anything except actual vector as a copy. That is a connection mechanism, so that'll be interesting I hopefully get the slide soon but the slides were announced as this is very preliminary, so nothing solid.
13:08:02 Okay, just for general information Richard has phoned my cell phone. So he's now in the meeting, connect via audio.
13:08:14 So, indirectly
13:08:20 Jaan is that, did they actually see a signal and carbon are they just doing a measurement.
13:08:27 So, I haven't seen the results yet, but it sounded like they saw something in cover.
13:08:35 Because the, the, the result was that this would rule out a couple of coping mechanisms.
13:08:46 And that's, that's what they want that person claim, I have not seen the slides. This is second hand knowledge, didn't know what was the carbon isotope.
13:08:56 No. Okay, it's, it only came up in a side note, I asked him, Danny mentioned that he has seen the talk.
13:09:07 And he will send me the slides as soon as he has them.
13:09:12 And then maybe we can look at it, but that's that's the only thing.
13:09:16 I mean that's the depth of information I have from this, this, and this this morning.
13:09:22 Was that rule out the program phobic.
13:09:26 No I don't think so. I don't think so.
13:09:37 So that's still in this context. It's just, in fact the coupling mechanism right with its extra vector, vector scale apps you just had a, whatever.
13:09:40 And then, between I think helium, and, and, beryllium already would a couple of couplings out, and this would work out all of them except one
13:09:58 three measurements, but that's, again, here say so for so so long, right so nothing to build off. That's interesting.
13:10:06 I also learned that dark light was actually conditionally approved the jailer. At least that's not the agenda person set.
13:10:14 So I had to correct that.
13:10:23 In this most recent was fully
13:10:23 ready.
13:10:23 Yeah, you know. Yeah, but the original song you talked about the new one, and he said oh yeah that is conditionally approved. So, I'm not sorry, not the trailer but at least.
13:10:41 There was also this
13:10:47 photon search at a lab that also was sent around.
13:10:52 It's a quite a long proposal I admit I have not done all the way through.
13:10:56 It doesn't have much detail, they just say oh yeah we do this and this makes it better, but without any details it's period right it's the PF collaboration.
13:11:04 Yeah, and I only glanced at it, but I say oh yeah we can show that this reduce if you're going off shell off off in planar this this gets the ratio better.
13:11:20 I tried some other things fast and I couldn't make it work. It's only getting worse for us so I'm not sure. And if I click the angles. The most prominent production is actually an old smaller than what they can see.
13:11:36 So, not quite sure what they are doing now.
13:11:42 But yeah, something to look at.
13:11:45 There people on from fates. No. Jim told me he would not be able to attend there's some GOP meeting going on.
13:12:02 Okay.
13:12:02 Is there anything from trial, in terms of getting a meeting.
13:12:06 Yeah.
13:12:09 Yeah. Mike has enough reported that Jen says, organize the date I think you said, the 28th of June or 21st 21st
13:12:22 you answer yes is busy this week, and he's away next week.
13:12:26 So we're going to meet on Monday the 21st at 1pm.
13:12:37 Okay.
13:12:39 Anything else. So what is the intention of the 1pm.
13:12:44 Monday meeting to talk about responsibilities and who's going to be the PI and what, what type of grant requests, we would put in, we have to put in a letter of intent by the first of August, to our funding agency, and then a grant is due at the end of
13:13:02 October.
13:13:04 This is just for the Canadians Ross.
13:13:10 Richard Have you heard anything from bush on.
13:13:16 No.
13:13:16 I think we want to my feeling now is to get our act together.
13:13:20 In terms of responsible these resources within our collaboration and then also the test experiment to try and push that up to some degree.
13:13:42 Well, yeah, it's on point I'll reach out again.
13:13:44 Yeah. On the CBC last night.
13:13:48 They said that the government was planning to remove the restrictions on quarantining in a hotel for Canadians returning to Canada.
13:13:58 So at the moment that means I'm the only one that's allowed to travel up there out of the group, but you also have to have it if you have two doses, you can prove you're fully vaccinated, then you do not have to quarantine after you have to do a PCR tests
13:14:17 as well when you arrive.
13:14:21 And once that comes back negative, then I think your quarantine period is over, they haven't been too detailed about that but otherwise you might have to quarantine in in a hotel or in your own house.
13:14:32 If you happen to be a returning Canadian or permanent residence so it's.
13:14:38 I suspect by September things will change again. In October, when we were talking about the test experiment, perhaps having some time with the fall. I certainly by next spring that should all be over now.
13:14:53 Yeah.
13:14:55 I yeah I'm fully vaccinated so it's not a.
13:14:59 It's just a matter of having, and I can get tested at MIT, anytime I want, whether they recognize that I don't know but maybe I need to have the test in Canada when I arrived.
13:15:14 The ice, that's what they're saying is you have to have a test before you board the plane, and then another test when you landed Vancouver just in case you've been exposed on the plane and are a carrier, even though you're not likely to be sick.
13:15:37 be an asymptomatic carriers what I understand it's the way I understand it. If you looked at the plane, the test the national anything. Yeah.
13:15:39 quickly.
13:15:40 Yeah, I don't know that they're being rather vague about the whole thing I agree with you on that one.
13:15:45 Anyway that's more interested in being able to travel up to Toronto to see my son.
13:15:54 It seems like Americans, traveling directly from the US are also eligible to travel for a non discretionary purpose, I think you could argue that testing is non discretionary.
13:16:05 I guess I don't I don't know.
13:16:12 This might be one of these magical words that means something very specific. Now, they talk about essential non essential so that's debatable issue I suppose essential as a difficult as much stricter one then nondiscretionary you know not going to go
13:16:34 visit the vineyards, but it's not exactly.
13:16:28 Not vacation right it's not vacation but there. there's a big push on now from the travel industry in DC, and also in other parts of Canada to open the border to fully vaccinated, people from the US so we will see what's going to happen.
13:16:45 As of July, 1, we are provinces now 75% vaccinated. Her anybody over 12 with the first dose and we're about 10% was second dose so we're moving, we're ramping up quickly on second doses but it's it's we're ahead of a lot of states in at least having first,
13:17:03 first people with the first dose.
13:17:09 Just another kind of issue as we might want to consider submitting abstracts conferences to kind of spread the word that we're broke.
13:17:20 So, I mean just in terms of my own email and panic there's a panic conference which is a remote, of course. And then there's the DMP meeting in the fall, which is in Boston, which is the deadline for abstracts in July one, but I'm sure there are many
13:17:36 other conferences and things that we should target but it's probably a good idea to submit abstracts
13:17:46 Many of too many of these and just spread the word that we're an approved experiment, and we're, you know, we're planning this. It's real.
13:17:57 Yeah, I noticed there was a triumph talk cap conference, Congress.
13:18:03 This week, that did anyone mentioned dark light at that.
13:18:10 I didn't listen.
13:18:15 Who gave the talk, I didn't look I've been teaching this term so I haven't bothered to register for virtual countries that I can find us talking about a sort of global triumphs, talk, Doug.
13:18:30 Yeah, it doesn't say it says hot off the press, trying this a little strange title that history of triumphs future.
13:18:42 Okay. I'm sure what that means but they don't list, they don't miss the speaker. They don't let the speaker. Interesting. When is it
13:18:56 me.
13:18:58 I guess I could say there's a whole bunch of discussions tomorrow about.
13:19:05 So there's a joint Canadian Institute a nuclear physics meeting with the Institute of particle physics.
13:19:12 And so, yeah, a lot of sort of planning discussions happen at that meeting as well. Yeah, so it's on day four. So that's probably today.
13:19:25 Yeah, most of the nuclear and particle physics meetings or tomorrow the sort of business meetings, let's say.
13:19:33 Anyway, they don't have speaker.
13:19:36 It might be good to have a place on our, I guess it Nicole page maybe where we can start to list all these upcoming meetings.
13:19:44 Make sure we submit an abstract.
13:19:49 Yeah.
13:19:52 Yeah, I can probably create such a thing.
13:19:59 We could also listed on, we've got a wiki as well for dark light, so I couldn't put it on the wiki, whatever. Yeah.
13:20:09 Does everyone have access to this.
13:20:15 They in everyone should be able to get to the Indiegogo site.
13:20:20 Not, not everyone can access the wiki until MIT finds a replacement for touchstone.
13:20:31 And I can request desta counts for everyone, or anyone at MIT. So, or anyone outside of MIT I can get them an MIT Guest account.
13:20:46 Jessie experience with the wiki on GitHub, because we have a GitHub, or no for that line.
13:20:54 Yeah, I don't know, do you want to mix that with.
13:20:58 I mean, what makes it easier for people to access.
13:21:02 By the way, if you want to access to that send me your GitHub username.
13:21:07 And I even invite you.
13:21:10 Can I just get safe GitHub wiki is pretty good in my experience, that's a reasonable system, and it's nicely tied to where you start with your code and documents so not the worst to have everything in one spot.
13:21:21 I'm just not sure how easy it is to upload like talks and stuff to that to that wiki,
13:21:34 or something. First of all, it should be easy. Maybe I should been ist at MIT again and ask them,
13:21:43 It used to be the outside users could request a touchdown account.
13:21:49 That gave you access.
13:21:52 But they did away with that without finding a replacement.
13:21:56 And that's still the state,
13:22:04 but they've made it very easy to for me to get guests account so everyone.
13:22:12 If they want a guest account at MIT I can get that.
13:22:17 I just noticed we are missing missing there again.
13:22:22 All right, let's see what missing Marianne right T. I think that I was gonna ask you if you have any feedback from Marianne. No.
13:22:35 Okay. Um, yeah.
13:22:51 Yeah.
13:22:52 Katherine does this mean you have some minimal experience with GitHub wikis, as a editor and not a consumer minimal I would say yes, but only minimal I've experimented with them a little bit but they're not the norm, where I'm coming from either personally
13:23:08 though I like the fact that use markdown for them instead of all of the anointing tricky script stuff without to Google every time so it's a small advantage but its present.
13:23:17 It seems like an easy thing.
13:23:19 Just to experiment with.
13:23:22 I might try to attach a wiki to our organization. GitHub. I have zero experience but I have a, a GitHub, how to here in front of me so maybe I can figure that out and just, just to see if it really is sufficiently straightforward.
13:23:43 Send me your username.
13:23:45 You already have my username you need Catherine's
13:23:50 to have your username Ross, I'm already a Administrator of the dark clay. Get up. So I think so, I damage. Okay.
13:24:02 I was, well, then everybody sent the user names to Ross because the last thing you can do that too and I'll add folks to it.
13:24:10 If you can send to the dark side list one of us will pick it up.
13:24:13 How searchable is the wiki on on GitHub, because sometimes it's hard to find information if you don't have a good search tool.
13:24:23 That's very true but I can tell you the search on on news on the, on the MIT Vicki is terrible. So, okay, well that's, I think that's a problem with all wikis, in my opinion.
13:24:37 When you know what you're looking for, you can find it if you have the link or you have a keyword but if you don't have that, it's almost impossible to to locate things.
13:24:45 Yeah, I agree. I've had this problem with Indigo as well. So, in one of my other meetings, we literally keep one giant document with all of the, all the minutes from all the meetings, and it mentions you know by date, where things can be found so if someone
13:25:03 did something that talked about you know the axial anomaly you search that document for axial anomaly and that's not great but it's better than having to open up 20 pages and see which one's the know.
13:25:17 Maybe that's what we need
13:25:24 to start a draft of a of an outside.
13:25:28 Sounds like a good plan, I will see if I can get the get a wiki, just as a toy for now set up on GitHub so that we don't have to route everyone through MIT wiki service.
13:25:50 I think there is the current dark light wiki, that we have here is quite out of date I think a lot of it could be deleted or archive archive but.
13:26:09 Yeah.
13:26:11 But yeah, I think for what we're doing now.
13:26:15 We'll see you know where we're gonna have a workshop or I'm sure we'll come back with some of the things.
13:26:26 Did you want to discuss some dates for the workshop.
13:26:36 Well I mean we brought it up last week.
13:26:46 Like, I think the consensus was well probably should have the workshop we're starting to do the test experiment, actually have something real on the floor trials with members of data to show, I kind of like that.
13:26:50 So, but that was like spring.
13:27:00 Okay, 2022, I mean that was the discussion last time and I thought that was fine i mean i i don't think workshop is kind of our highest home but then I was just
13:27:08 so I look at it.
13:27:18 Okay, is there anything else. Any other issues that people want to race today.
13:27:33 Okay I don't hear anybody. So,
13:27:38 Ross, why don't you let us know next week about
13:27:47 setting up some sort of wiki version on GitHub, or will.
13:27:54 And I can look at how easy things are to set something comparable up on indigo, because I know everyone can access Indigo.
13:28:09 And I'll also try and beat up MIT isg to get guest access. They should be able to use it using SSL. So
13:28:25 that's how you can access indigo, so I don't know why they don't have a similar system for Wikis.
13:28:38 Okay.
13:28:39 Anything else,
13:28:43 and yon maybe you can talk contact Marianne see if she's at na progress regarding calculations.
13:29:10 Yeah, she's on the mailing list. Yeah.
13:29:10 Just touching base with her and seeing if she's hit a roadblock winner.
13:29:10 Yeah.
13:29:12 When you send her an email.
13:29:14 JACK can do. Yeah.
13:29:17 Okay. Anything else from anyone.
13:29:25 All over just joined