09:57:16 You.
09:57:17 I'm good, how are you.
09:57:19 Good.
09:57:40 So, it seems the latest Windows Update inside the was not stable.
09:57:45 Yeah, I see you switch to another. Yeah.
09:57:50 Do you have time tomorrow.
09:57:53 Yeah, it's something that should I give a talk at five, but by seven that would be over.
09:57:58 Okay, great. Then I will let Mike know.
09:58:12 Let's do tomorrow. Yeah.
09:58:36 Hello.
09:58:48 ia.
10:00:17 yawn. Have you contacted Marion, Maria. No, sorry. Yeah, so
10:00:26 super busy these days.
10:00:37 should dial in on these meetings.
10:00:43 Yeah, I suppose I could.
10:00:47 But she's in Vancouver so that's seven in the morning.
10:00:52 Okay, she's, she won't be at MIT till September I think she said, Maybe we should shut the dial in then for the live meetings, the weekly.
10:01:04 Yeah, that's, that's possible.
10:01:14 Okay, are we all here.
10:01:20 We're missing Bobby.
10:01:33 There's Bobby, okay.
10:01:39 Okay,
10:01:47 now. Okay, I guess we're all here are mostly here.
10:01:52 So you imagine, nothing if our minds.
10:01:57 I'm going to talk to, Michael.
10:02:02 Tomorrow at 7pm about my about the project on a proton radius extraction and to see what he thinks, if that's enough to fulfill the requirements for for the degrading data science.
10:02:17 And, yeah, I was, hopefully after I talked to him, I can maybe do a presentation next week during the meeting, just to tell everyone what I've done on that project.
10:02:30 Okay, sounds good.
10:02:33 Okay on TX there's not much new still haven't heard from Marcel regarding the chest pain time.
10:02:47 And I'm just checking the schedule now.
10:02:56 And, come on.
10:02:58 And the schedule is still empty for the fall term so I don't think they've converged yet.
10:03:09 Okay, so.
10:03:11 Does anyone else have anything to say on feedback.
10:03:16 So, I will update the fingers today.
10:03:22 Ah, so I'm working at the moment on this. That's great. Thanks.
10:03:28 No problem.
10:03:33 Okay.
10:03:36 Let's see, what about dark light, then
10:03:42 Yeah, nothing no to report no contact from gold shine.
10:03:49 I guess we were going to set up a weekly meeting, or we decided on the time or.
10:03:56 No.
10:03:56 Was I supposed to do something was I supposed to create a doodle poll.
10:04:00 Well, yeah, I guess, I think for us.
10:04:04 The Thursday afternoon, early afternoon slot seems to work but we probably need to invite all these, you know that triumph, and, and the Canadian collaborators.
10:04:17 So, yeah, I mean, maybe, maybe an email to them.
10:04:24 You know, I don't know, maybe it people sometimes a doodle poll is more efficient, I don't know, however you want to do it yourself, but, you know, it's, I guess it's three hours earlier, over there for most of them do.
10:04:39 I have them at the same meeting, or do we want to keep having a private meeting.
10:04:44 I don't see why we need a private meeting, or you can always have one if if we need to have on the Tuesday meeting for that right. Yeah, and the free need of a special small group meeting we can always arrange that.
10:05:06 Well, I think what we do need is a weekly meeting of like all the principles, people working on at the core i guess you call.
10:05:03 Okay, so I'll all right to the mailing list.
10:05:09 So the dark light core mailing list and ask them if Thursdays at two o'clock eastern standard time is ok for them. And if not, to please suggest other times or something to that.
10:05:31 Yeah, I mean I think generally one we had one meeting at one o'clock I think maybe the early afternoon on Thursdays or something.
10:05:40 Yeah.
10:05:47 Yeah, so two o'clock, 11 o'clock their time. So, yeah, for trying. Yeah, yeah.
10:05:52 That sounds good. Sounds good.
10:05:52 Okay, all right, to the mailing list and see if they can make it.
10:05:59 Yeah, yeah.
10:06:01 This week even.
10:06:02 Yeah.
10:06:05 Okay. Um.
10:06:09 Anything else on dark light.
10:06:16 No, I'm.
10:06:21 What about EIZ.
10:06:25 Well there's, I mean, Igor I gosh is the one Polish report.
10:06:31 Yeah, you can give us a short report. So, I'm currently trying to implement a generator for the DCS, and is a version that was used for yellow report is based on a Miller 3d.
10:06:51 It is the difference between a standard needle is just the different the GTD tables. So, yesterday.
10:06:59 It finally was implemented on the NL computers and starting from last week I do have access for BNL computers, it's still not uploaded for the singularity, but it's working over there.
10:07:14 And I'm now trying to compare and find out if there is a difference between the standard Camilo or Milla 3d, and the 10 minutes ago, the simulation is finished in a galaxy don't see any difference.
10:07:28 So I hope that the uploaded the correct version.
10:07:32 So hopefully that by the end of this week, we can start running the simulation for his exclusive working group.
10:07:41 And then they will be ready to to ask for people of simulation to run a full scale simulation of the VCs and force a chair detector.
10:07:55 So, there's also additional questions if they I was discussing, which ashamed covers luck.
10:08:06 In order to get access for being there, a computer in case
10:08:11 He had to apply for BNL account. And to do so we need to find the sponsor at b&n.
10:08:24 And from us from the people from simulation group told me that they can use Thomas worry.
10:08:29 But the question is, if we want to do it for the machine called a maybe students that want to join a should we use the same person or maybe somebody else can be a contact person.
10:08:53 Maybe people from the NL canal.
10:08:57 So, right now is Thomas does it is your contact person sent for to Thomas now I don't have any connection if comment on the Cameron said to me, is that they should contact team in request seem to be a my sponsor him because he's fine yeah I know Thomas
10:09:13 very well. So I think he's fine to be a sponsor for others as well i think he does this generally. Okay, because I understood the teaser content person for the see.
10:09:25 Yep. Yep.
10:09:26 So probably this answered a question.
10:09:30 You may send him an email to get his account, but in any case in on the last Friday, there was additional simulation was there was a simulation workshop, and they said that they people had been working on is working on is it, is it a gel up credential
10:09:55 can be used to access b&n far.
10:09:55 It's still under the board but the hopes that it will be soon so
10:10:03 yeah I think I will start to apply for the bl content.
10:10:07 Yeah, but it takes at least two three weeks.
10:10:12 Ok, I see.
10:10:16 Okay, so a. In addition, in, for example what I saw, I actually sent the email for the people that they prepared the simulation for the yellow report, but it seems like the simulation was for, for example for the VCs was done in case that we have only
10:10:37 the VCs process without including is a better hide their order interference them.
10:10:44 So, this point is very important if we want to simulate the physics me to simulate everything.
10:10:51 Definitely if you're going to design and build a detector.
10:10:55 We need.
10:10:56 Yes. And of course I want to run is a PI not a generator. But for pi not, there is no dedicated.
10:11:07 There is no dedicated generator for the BCS what people do is they use the part of software to generate up these tables from this table to calculate the cross sections, and then to implement a toy model.
10:11:25 A only is a faith based calculation for further by not electro production. So I'm trying to contact people that did this term model for a yellow report in order to start from that point and not inventing the wheel from, from scratch.
10:11:46 Sounds good.
10:11:48 Okay so this think old for AC.
10:12:02 Okay, um, Anything else before we move on to
10:12:09 class 12,
10:12:14 anything you wanted to add Jaan or Ethan think that's all about actually. So, under the philosopher and some other people and I, and even, we are planning.
10:12:26 Next, radiation radiative corrections workshop actually two of them on early next year and one then later next year at CMS and then, etc star. So if anybody's interested.
10:12:44 Just keep us keep us informed.
10:12:47 A lot of files.
10:12:50 Okay. Anything else.
10:12:54 Don't think so.
10:12:55 Okay, then let's go on to class 12. All right, bye bye bye
10:13:04 bye bye later.
10:13:08 Okay sang back, you want to go first.
10:13:13 Oh yeah. So, that's British simulation of the VCs at plus 12.
10:13:21 I submitted all 5,000,500 million events to SG, and what is the rest is is very busy but it's running so I expect them to be done in already this week, and as soon as that's done, our go through our bending, but most of my work was proved in, in bending
10:13:47 so that's why I'm first slowly working on in bending data on that then I already collected enough statistics to work on a certain score expression.
10:13:57 The one good news.
10:14:00 And also, one, one problem I and Bobby and I actually in concert with was that cluster cluster 12 data seems to have lost, Laura cross section then plus six.
10:14:16 But I actually added a VCs core section curve to my preliminary only cross section analysis.
10:14:27 But will the
10:14:29 theory, or the non, the non data curve, actually is below that below with the first question, Richard so I just think it, even though cluster cluster has higher level of perfection.
10:14:48 Even though cluster. Six has higher perfection. I didn't see this problematic if we can, we can justify from theory.
10:14:55 Well, also I actually made a repair request of my laptop to Apple store yesterday so I didn't have left on now so I'm casting from iPad, so it's hard to screen heart to share my screen but
10:15:15 well this is no.
10:15:18 Yep. So, just a question so you believe there's a discrepancy do in there is discrepancy between six words or 10 plus job Where's your boss in my, my work and obvious Richards, but okay so what do you plan your planning some invariant there should be
10:15:39 be the same, it's not the, the absolute cross section human defense, I mean that's I guess that's the risk section. But, I mean, you got to be a little careful there's all these I mean, I guess, with the Igor, and I were talking about this are looking
10:15:54 into it are.
10:15:57 Yeah, I mean, the cross section has all bunch of pieces there's a flock side front, that certainly depends on the energy.
10:16:06 But, of course, there, there can be it can be written in a form that has Lorenzen variance was shouldn't depend the world they'll only depend on key squared or x or fi or something like that, you know, so I think
10:16:24 we need to look at that.
10:16:27 Yeah.
10:16:31 Right.
10:16:33 I mean if you can you can run simulations at different energies.
10:16:39 If you just did a simulations at different energies and try to extract that does that work for example,
10:16:49 you're, you're, you're reporting this possible discrepancy The question is, is, you know,
10:17:00 Real or as I'm just asking basic questions.
10:17:05 But there's a lot of possibilities, I guess.
10:17:22 Reminds me of the fact that plus 12 has six sectors and the IT sector has gap between the two factors. One is orange embarrassed actually five dimensional difference or cross section, which contains the electron observable angle.
10:17:30 Yeah. And I assume that the as reliable as no gap.
10:17:36 It's just integrated over to pi but the actual actor has, has gap so probably that factor
10:17:47 could give, give a factor of truly Sure.
10:17:52 I don't think it does too but.
10:17:55 Okay, wonderful so probably there should be a factor, but from that. Also, there could be.
10:18:16 But I'll.
10:18:17 Oh, I mean at the end of the day, you'd probably have to go to some process that's really known.
10:18:23 Let's say elastic scattering you believe EP elastic and the data in the same run and see how that checks out.
10:18:33 Yep.
10:18:35 Sounds good big component to the class six data, the final cross sections or some no private communication, because in the funnel cross sections he had to take into account all this gaps in the detector before they publishes a data.
10:18:54 I was just comparing it to some plots of the analysis notes, which contain Royals without, without.
10:19:07 Ok, ok, ok if it's wrong it's okay but the few compared to the final cross section.
10:19:12 It probably you need to probably took into account all these gifts.
10:19:20 I yeah okay sorry I was trying to find out for a section, and my brother they should consider that gap, but I didn't. So the problem is that should be a problem.
10:19:36 Yeah.
10:19:38 So it's, yeah I'm still working on it, probably, I should make make it more clear but, yeah, I mean it's a very good thing. Well obviously we're interested.
10:19:56 Eventually in comparing the two cross section, you know, looking at the physics so, so, so cross checking is really important, like you're doing.
10:20:06 Yeah, right.
10:20:10 Yeah, so as you mentioned, this week, probably, I want to compare the, let's let's just take a timeout here so he got you pointed out that, you know, we do Rosenbluth separations by measuring exactly the same kinematics at different energies got an epsilon
10:20:33 dependence.
10:20:35 So, how does that work as a cross section we're looking for the cross section be the same, independent of energy. I mean that that's not kind of system so that's what we're calling the cross section.
10:20:50 You know we got to be careful here.
10:21:01 You follow me.
10:20:55 Yeah, we are looking to reduce the cross section. After we remove this a flux. Okay, okay.
10:21:02 So that's the total that's like everything. Some together herb sigma, sigma, sigma t plus epsilon sigma L or something.
10:21:13 Yeah, but this is a, it's actually it's not the total gross. Total one is, is the
10:21:37 equation here. But the
10:21:29 differential cross sections that it's a dependent sigma, sigma fee is equal to this say flux, multiplied by this terms of sigma it so it's a form factors and go sections.
10:21:46 Okay. All right. Well, it's, it's got a lot of pieces.
10:21:56 Okay, same back.
10:21:57 You done.
10:21:59 Oh, yeah.
10:22:03 So, probably just for my plan. Yeah, I will look into the elastic and Philip process district, and then directly compare to, to the no one scenario is the elastic analyzed, I mean is that something that's been analyzed.
10:22:21 And this is kind of an annoying point of class tool. Whenever I mentioned elastic class Gil Gil people somehow increases me to contact the people who are already working on elastic purposes.
10:22:36 Yeah, they never really did their research so at some point probably I won my own analysis of Lustig.
10:22:44 Yeah, I know that you can grow worked on this because I've heard Clemson talk about elastic. I think yeah I know the mark cliff is working on it, tinkle safe and elastic but I can't find his documented results for two years.
10:23:05 Early I work on my honors your tenant all yeah it's not too different from, etc. By my delicious persistence. So, okay, except for the kinetics offers not much work it's it's a very good thing.
10:23:20 The culture does things for the analysis you know and then if it's the same data side it's also relevant for Bobby and Patrick.
10:23:30 It's a, it's, you know, an important tie in.
10:23:36 Okay, thanks. I'm back Bobby did you want to go next. Yeah, be great. so.
10:23:43 So overall, I'm same sort of planet same back from trailing him a little bit. I've been doing some technical work on this little bit of technical work that needs to be done on the pie not rated of generator, before I can submit some more kind of larger
10:23:58 scale simulations, um, something that's I guess maybe personally useful or is.
10:24:06 So I've been having laptop issues and basically Lenovo just kind of threw their hands up and just said, you know, we'll just replace her whole laptop, you know, it's another word you know so anyway so that that actually came in at the end of last week
10:24:18 so I've been, I've been spending some time to get everything set up and transfer it over.
10:24:29 So that should be taken care of, and I'll be done with that, but that's it for me. And, yeah, kind of looking forward to next week, making some progress to try and get some simulations submitted and, kind of, you know, figure out this ongoing.
10:24:49 Yeah, you should about the cross section. So, that's it.
10:24:52 Sounds good.
10:24:54 Thanks Bobby, Patrick.
10:24:57 Yeah, so, Brandon and I have been going back and forth just trying to compare.
10:25:04 You know our events selection and make sure that all of our just to go in event by event, make sure all of our getting the same and making sure you know we're kind of yes selecting everything.
10:25:15 So it looks consistent.
10:25:17 So we're doing that and then I also submitted about, I think 10 million jobs to Osg for for simulation for background margin.
10:25:29 So, yeah, just that should be done soon so waiting on that to come back. Good.
10:25:35 That's good.
10:25:39 So as you're saying that you want to go next. And you can also report on our alien three meeting yesterday.
10:25:45 Yeah.
10:25:50 So, I do.
10:25:52 I work with Maury on this computing offense and also with James on the safety training for the jailer.
10:26:03 And I'll also starting to track with the IC software simulation work, maybe starting with the bl account in order to run the middle 3d simulation as Eagle mentioned.
10:26:24 Yeah, I think briefly that's it.
10:26:33 Yeah, good yeah I know we had a meeting yesterday with James Haroon, I guess, regular regular polarized aliens remaining So, and I'll stuff starting to come together, safety stuff is getting done.
10:26:45 That thing is, she said it's doing our training and.
10:26:47 And I think the lab will we got, and then everything is moving next weekend, our apartment. Just, just overlooking Johnson lab
10:27:00 really close.
10:27:04 But. So I think, you know, it'll probably take two or three weeks for her. I actually it's unclear how easy or if it is possible to get into a lab. The way, James talked about it.
10:27:19 They're discouraging people there, I think he said so I don't know. Anyway, I think the project the target development project in the lab will get going.
10:27:29 I think in the next few weeks. And in terms of equipment and turning on equipment and making sure I have to go into my lab on campus the laser lab, we're interested in shipping at Helmholtz coil bones so we can do little feel measurements, so I'll, I'll
10:27:43 work on that.
10:27:46 And I guess we also had a meeting last Tuesday Igor rushing and I am Bobby with Mari.
10:27:54 And we got to kind of an overview of things so there's the slides that he showed that he sent so I sent those to the other group members earlier, and the meeting here, but, I mean, basically, I think we kind of understand what's going on, and that dedicated
10:28:12 cores are relatively small but it's important to have them.
10:28:16 And so the likelihood is I think we do want to increase.
10:28:21 At some point, or number of cores but right now it's not.
10:28:25 Certainly not urgent, and.
10:28:29 And there's a lot of computing opportunistic computing that's being captured right now. Through Osg I think so, but it was good.
10:28:42 Okay, thanks.
10:28:46 Judging Igor, did you have anything else
10:28:48 No except of Zac whatever the reporter, yeah. Last week we had the vaccines, in the second dose was everybody doing okay. Yeah, we after we after work seems good.
10:29:03 From this point on the going up.
10:29:06 Yeah.
10:29:07 Yeah, so nothing can you on the classics, a cluster.
10:29:12 Yeah.
10:29:15 Okay.
10:29:20 This.
10:29:22 This DVP meeting seems to have kind of fallen fallen away.
10:29:30 I don't know where there's so many other meetings going on. And
10:29:35 I don't know what what all else, who all else is working on these things but I mean I know our groups working on them but we can't we can't provide speakers every week.
10:29:47 So, I'm not sure what the future of this thing is,
10:29:55 we certainly don't seem to have speakers every week maybe we should go every two weeks or maybe it's a good idea, I don't know, I think maybe a good opportunity for the people that actually can do some know some describes this process as a senior people
10:30:19 know to to present it as a some opportunity to present this field, you know. Now, some general lecture much more than you know.
10:30:26 I think it's gonna be a very good idea because we've done that kind of thing in the past.
10:30:32 For sure, yeah you know for example is starting given even says more than that they, for example for why not production when we can about the Gullah skulk have more than grow more, you know, just to give some other you about it.
10:30:48 Yeah, even, even the you know even maybe I'll pass that along that.
10:30:54 Yeah, it can be very, very helpful.
10:31:12 For me, it also it'll be better if we move it from 830 to 9am.
10:31:03 This is a rich. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
10:31:11 It will be very beneficial.
10:31:09 Okay, we got to do something right now there's nothing habits.
10:31:15 Have some discussion about.
10:31:17 I think every week is too much. I think every two weeks will be fine and maybe we can.
10:31:23 I mean, at some point you got, you know all the, all the activities here we got to report it on but you know it's got to be a couple of months between, between reports it's like every week we can, and they're not long reports later you know so, but I
10:31:39 just don't know what's going on. I mean, the question is, UConn I think Clemson was quite busy this semester, teaching.
10:31:47 He seemed to be really busy and not connected Volker is completely consumed with his series of workshops on the different I ours, which is good you know for for the IC but I think it's taking a lot of his time so any all I was going to send a message
10:32:07 but I just want to get your input.
10:32:09 Was there anything else.
10:32:11 Any other suggestions about topics we would like to include like any
10:32:18 anything from the instrument, you know, like tracking or, you know, just, I mean I would, I guess I would have thought we should get
10:32:28 reports with some frequency on just how things are going on the broader analysis, I don't know, I guess that's happens at the collaboration meeting some people probably feel that's I don't want to repeat it I don't know
10:32:43 elastic scattering would that be something we would be interested in.
10:32:48 Yes, I think it will be a good idea because it's really important to understand yeah it's a calibration is actually the normalization of data. Yeah, I think.