Hi.
Hi. Are things. Good.
What about you. Oh, everything's fine.
Have you been fully vaccinated.
Yeah, yesterday, got the second shot. So, in the morning, several meetings cancelled. so I took an excuse to sleep until nine.
So all we can then five minutes right.
Yes.
Yeah, starts at 15.
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Hey, Doug How are you, good.
So you took a look at the newspaper or fish Red Sea paper or whatever it will be. Yeah. Yes, I have even started editing I wrote an abstract for it I'm working on the introduction.
And I didn't read the rest of it but now it looks like it's fairly complete So, um, yeah thanks I did a sound that you made some of those changes it looks nice it reads nice I think it's, you know, the advantage of just essentially copy and pasting from
the proposal. And then it was removed from the proposal, so it's not just a plagiarism.
I likes it. So you a docu changes, that is a data right.
Yeah. Um, let's see where did I put it somewhere Oh type lead Tom state calor emitter test for t pics. Yeah, I can't remember what the old title was now but I thought this.
You know this was is more what the three by three tests was about it wasn't about streaming readout so much that was just one part of it. So, yeah, I think it's fine a anyone is free to change anything that's that's in there I think at this point I don't
think anyone is particularly married to any anything that's written down so the title of this.
Um, I think we need, there's one other change I think we need to add saying back and and Bobby, to the author list because they they participated in the, and maybe even over.
I can see also helped with the actual test. Yeah, I'm happy to add them the author list was just, again, something I threw together at the time. I'm not sure Michael Cole necessarily should be there because he was not even part of defects at the time,
Has he contributed something in this, he like Was there some mountain Carlo simulation that he contributed to. Not to my knowledge.
yeah, I would say, and I'm not sure about Axl.
Okay.
So major axle comes out as well. Yeah, let me just remove them right now, or I'll comment them out and not. Yeah, yeah, that's fine.
I'll live in the same back then.
Yeah, I'm not married to the concept of a really tiny little author list or anything like that I, you know, anyone who contributed should be recognized.
Yes. And you've got a pizza at the front, is that, do you think it. He did the most work on this or yeah so this was actually discussed, way, way back when, when we first had the idea or whoever had the idea to write this paper.
There was, you know, some discussion Oh, should it be a pizza should it be eaten.
I thought it should be a pizza because most of the work that's shown is his, and then he and I had a discussion and he said he would like to because he's, you know, newly employed there and it's it's helpful for his career, and I said, Fine first author
means most of the work. So, yeah, yeah.
Good. No, I agree with all that.
If someone else wants to be second author I'm willing to listen to that too. No, no, I think, between you and pizza, you done the analysis of the data, and you know Monte Carlo simulation.
The analysis for streaming readout. So, yeah, I like to Hello visa, I like having having the students up front to is helpful. Yeah, yeah I you know I think having you and, and the visa, the front and then record, go alphabetical after that.
But, yeah, it's not, not a big deal. Yeah, I'm, I'm fluid. Now, flexible, Douglas. Yes.
How much did you pay for the BMP,
I'd have to go back and work, but I think it was on the order of $300 each.
Uh huh. that's not too expensive.
Its normal. right.
Yeah. yeah.
No, it's not normal, they're more expensive.
Oh yeah, but anyway, these, you know i i can I can find out if you want.
If you want the exact number all have looked in my.
I can do it now actually.
How much time do we have Oh, it is after 1215.
Where's your you, you can send this to me later.
Yeah.
I ended. Like, I think, in the test set up, description, be sure to put the layout of electronic connection or block diagram of hardware.
Yeah that's possible.
I can make a draft of it, but I wasn't a part of this beam time so I might make comments I felt like some nice to do to do it.
Yeah, I think, yon said that he would write something on the data acquisition so maybe you know we didn't.
There's the simple things that we did for the digitized sir, and the simple things we did for the Q DC, where it's not so simple, is the setup for the trigger.
We use the existing trigger system that Daisy testing provides. And it's not simple. It is quite complicated closed system wasn't closed but yeah I don't know whether we want to do that, but I would make a very simple diagram.
Just showing the cane digitize, and the QDC. And, oh, you know, basically we had the signal cables. Going to them, or going through a splitter and then split to the, to the, q DC or the digitize or.
And then there was the other line I trigger went to the to DC.
I'm in the digits.
Now, anyway. So, who we got on over. Hi.
Right. Yeah, my Microsoft, yes, and John's here.
Okay, why don't we get started, maybe Michael will join us.
You know, in a bit.
So I just wanted to bring people up to date on some developments.
Last week I had an email from Marcellus done in ski who's one of the coordinators.
for the daisy test fame.
He was making a request for testing time in the fall.
They have been running the test theme since.
Sometime in March with various coven protocols that there's no more than two people in in a room or in an experimental area. At the same time, and you wear masks and social distance, etc.
all fairly standard.
So,
anyway, he was asking for requests for tests being time.
In the fall, and the fall is defined is beginning August 2 and running till December 22.
So I wrote back and said, Jeff, I discussed this already with Yon Ethan and maybe.
Can you were in the meeting, and
what we thought is that it's unclear what the situation with regard to travel will be, and going to Germany, but it wouldn't hurt to request time.
Late in the, in the fall so I wrote and suggested we couldn't possibly be interested in two weeks. In November of this year.
And in Marcel's message I should say that he understood that things are uncertain now with the pandemic. And the plans might have to be changed but anyway.
I've requested, two weeks in November.
And I've talked it over with some of the MIT people, I think we could get Patrick, would be interested in coming as what Bobby Johnson from are.
Those are two of our students saying back is a little unable to come at this time. Because of visa restrictions.
And our Jaan said he would be able to come, or he thought he would be able to come. Ethan expressed interest.
And again, you said that you might be interested. And it might be made to coincide with a muse run in depends on on funding basic. Yeah, sure.
I don't know, and I copied over on this message so over use you've seen that, but I don't know if you had any comment.
No, it's fine.
I don't know how much money is still available from the pier.
MIT, Daisy collaboration. Do you have any idea of 5000 6000 or so I'm an episode be sure some Okay, yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah so we do have some funds that we could use to support travel.
It really is designed for
collaborative agreement between MIT and Daisy.
And we typically would use it for the students to pay for their travel and accommodation.
Yeah, and I think.
Yeah, five $6,000 with sort of covered to people for two weeks, or something like that, maybe three people.
Okay.
So that's the status regarding that.
Any questions about the test scheme.
I guess, do you think two weeks is sufficient, how long that last has been.
Well, that's not long we did in with the three by three, we had two weeks, and most of the data was taken. I would say buy a pizza and me in the last four days, or something like that.
Yeah, we should we should have everything going before we actually start.
Yeah.
One of the things I wanted to raise is.
And a visa correct go ahead and correct me. But as I understand it a pizza will not be able to attend this just Spain, because of requirements. does Agra.
Yes, I think so.
I don't know I was thinking maybe I can like, do some does Daisy have a seminar or something like this, where people from outside to talk what they're working on or something like this, where.
Yes, this exists. Yes.
Mm hmm.
Why, I don't know.
So I got.
Just to explain, I got by the fellowship from European Union, DC something like Marie Curie squad Luxe collection fellowship.
So, and under this grant agreement, I'm required to work like exclusively on my scientific program. And I like focus my program of the proposal menu on the working Zagreb.
So, I like technically I'm not allowed to work on anything else, just on this program so this is requirement of my grant agreement.
So this is why I cannot go but I don't know if there is something like this I can vz and yeah like participate a little bit like like an extra training can a networking, that's that's I think would be workable.
And with not break anything.
So, if this visit can be like, like connected, also to some like mediating seminar there or what I'm working in this widening fellowship that could be maybe hopefully, this can be arranged that would be the topic.
So, I've been I'm working on CCP and CPT symmetry
violation major major using petroleum decay.
Okay. So, but, but we can discuss this later when there is a clear, guaranteeing that something could happen with that curve it eventually might disappear or whatever.
We will happen in the future.
Yeah.
Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Um, yeah. So, assuming that a pizza cannot come.
Then, you know, a pizza and yon are the people that take care of the data acquisition software. I don't know how familiar.
Ethan would be with this software.
But one of the things I thought of is maybe.
Ethan and yon could come up to MIT, for a week or so, and get the software running on our computers on the computer that will be shipping to Germany.
I think we did that, about a year and a half ago now, around one of the other topics collaboration meetings. Yeah. So I think that's a good idea. I'm happy to do it, we wouldn't need all the hardware there right.
Yeah, we have all the hardware it's all piled up in my letter, you know, our lab here, so also have a spot if they want to use this that I don't have.
So if we're going to test a way forward, or this other or was it a DR three or something just for now.
I don't have one, we need to buy one from psi.
Okay.
Yeah.
So DAQ for qdc that's, I think, finish that's, that's not a problem.
And I think for the digitizes but young and integral working on this.
So, yeah, I think the only thing is, is we need to check that everything's working and then we have everything in place so that we don't have to waste time when we are at days.
So,
anyway, think of over arranging a time sometime over the summer where you can come to MIT and work on the, on the software or the DAQ.
That should be easy. I'm going to be in New Hampshire for the summer, which is closer than Long Island. Yeah,
so tough spot to bounce it maybe not a day to day commute.
But I can figure something out. So do you think you get the, the house again after that.
Yeah, yeah, I've already. I've already confirmed that I'm moving back here. Okay so, so how long do you have to go way.
Minimum one month probably month and a half. Okay.
Okay.
And then Doug How long does it take to ship things from from MIT to Daisy, it, it depends.
Be it goes by sea, which typically takes a week.
There's bureaucracy at either end.
So, in principle, it should be, say a week at either end. So, three weeks in total.
Right, so it's it's really slow. I waited for packet from Germany for more than two months. Yeah.
Anyway, in principle, it.
Take three weeks I would allow more. And as soon as we're in a position where we're confident that the testing would take place.
And that we've got manpower to operate it, etc etc.
I would ship it as soon as possible.
Yeah, so, maybe even in August you're potentially shipping late August, in September. Yeah, if we get the time in November, I think, August, September, to ship, and that would give us.
You know, six weeks or something like that.
Sounds reasonable to me. Yeah, so that's why I think if, if you can come in the summer, sometime. And I can clean up the lab and get it over organized and,
you know, everything ready to ship better be great.
Yeah.
Okay. One other thing I just wanted to raise regarding the test famous there are people that want to participate in the chess game and this includes john and me who have already been there, and debates are
our cards are no longer valid because it's been a year since we've had our safety lecture.
So, we need to attend the safety lecture which I'm assuming is still on Mondays at one o'clock.
And if it's a one hour lecture usually given by Marcel, and you sign a form afterwards saying that you've received the safety lecture.
And then you can go get your card authorized or for
john and i it's just getting re initialize it, you need the generous safety lecture, this is now online I don't know about the safe. The just been action, whether this is online as well.
Okay, I wasn't aware of the, the general one that's new, I guess.
No, no, this is asking that for years and years and this is unknown.
And and I don't know what the test be whether there's also some online version there might be.
Well, you last time we did it. You could see the, the presentation online. But you had to listen to Marcel for an hour and then sign the form. Yeah, it says it may have changed.
Yeah, it may have changed this, I'll look into it.
Yeah.
Good.
So the real point I wanted to make is that you need. If you don't get this lecture.
You're not allowed into the testing.
And if you don't get your card sign. So what I recommend is that people arrive the weekend before. Go to the lecture on the Monday if it's still Monday.
Get the lecture get their cards, certified and, yeah, then we're good to go.
In the past we had a large number of people helping with the setup and if they restrictions, due to the pandemic are still in place. When we go this time.
It'll be a little bit slower with just two people in the area.
But two people in the counting by two people in the, in the experimental area.
Yeah, hopefully it'll, it'll work out.
Okay, any other questions on the test beam.
Okay. Um.
Now the other thing that I just wanted to mention is that, I think, visa and Ethan have been working on a paper on the analysis of the three by three testing results.
I've had a, an initial look at it, and
you know i think it's it's in a really good shape at the moment. It's needs to be polished a little by dive. I think a lot of things are their young. You said you wanted to contribute something on the electronics.
Yeah, I can do that. Yeah, I'm, I've been working, I wrote the abstract, people are free to change up.
And I'm working on the introduction now and lad. Some other bits and pieces, the detector set up and what we were measurements we made.
I'll just tidy things up.
But hopefully we can finish this fairly soon and we can send it out to them, or to this red sea, we've heard from Richard Milner that fizzer at sea is now accepting technical papers.
And so instrumentation and since, Richard is now one of the editors.
You know, we, We just have to decide whether rethink nuclear instruments and methods, or if Israel FC is a better publication is their question.
Well, I don't know.
I would say if Israel, see but yeah without, without any doubt, but you know it, maybe this isn't something that bill that wakes up, though there. The statement from Richard is that he thinks this would work.
Anyway, I mean we lose three months worst case right.
Yeah, sure. So, I'm not. I think we, we can submit it.
That might require changing the format PRC has a strange format, if I remember.
Okay, that's enough. Yeah, it's easy enough.
Okay. Um, I think that's all I had does there any thing that people want to, to raise.
Hi, Michael.
I'm Michael here. Yeah Hi Michael. Um, so at some point I think once we have a perimeter in a mature geometry and design we could also think of testing this was a gym tracker in front.
Yeah, and I have still some of the Olympus gem elements at psi, which we've used for some additional studies there, which are partially assembled. So that could also be fairly.
I don't say effortlessly. That was limited effort, one could make this work, and place it in front of a kilometer.
Maybe not yet this fall on, but as a future possibility.
Yeah. No, I agree. i think that would be worthwhile.
Another principle. Yeah. Another thing, I'm hoping for is that Tanya. Tanya horn at Catholic University.
Perhaps she can give us or lowness some of the central aiding glass that she is developing and we could swap that out and test with the lead tongue state that we have.
So we'll, we'll see.
It depends on what Marcel says and what they call VH virus does in the meantime.
Okay. Anything else that people want to raise
Are there are fewer people in this meeting than than typical.
Wow.
Well, we don't see excellent.
Yeah, just to end of the semester thing or if it's a, we should find a new meeting time thing.
No, it's only like axles missing.
You know, we've.
Yeah, there's a few people.
Yes.
I don't think it's bad.
You know I don't know what Axl is up there.
Okay, he was there, the Monday meeting.
Okay.
So
Richards is missing from Michigan.
It's not urgent, I just noticed and. And now, it was, we should switch times but now now is, is why do you switch in the first time placement is the first time I can make this 1215 meeting actually.
Well, is there a better time, not just one Why did you Smith, switch to tell 15 i, this was john yeah I can't do nine or 10 anymore.
I have a seminar to organize at nine which normally runs long.
Okay, so I could do, maybe 1030 but I don't think that helps. What about 1111.
I could do 11 I think but somebody else had a problem with 11 I think
anybody with a problem at 11. You know,
I will probably occasionally be late to that, but I wouldn't. I have no personal problem with 11.
I would suggest if your speech and time next speech in the meeting time. Next time, we should do to do because last time we also decided to split your time based on the participants participants who have participated in the current meeting.
That might not work out for everyone. Yeah.
Okay, maybe raise another round right then the semester Silva and times are different.
Yeah.
Okay. Anything else that people want to race
know of.
Then I think, for the moment, let's have the next meeting on the Thursday the 28th 2015 as today. I'll send out the doodle poll. Maybe we change it to 11, but let's wait and see.