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SBU CFNS: I'm ready. We need to record it, but it's on the cloud. So yeah, i'll report it, and then I get it by the

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SBU CFNS: Yeah.

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SBU CFNS: that would not be the cheap concern.

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SBU CFNS: Okay, so I wrote this this morning.

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SBU CFNS: you know, about a an hour ago.

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SBU CFNS: and it's just the 3 model

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SBU CFNS: random

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SBU CFNS: when I was only out conscious.

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SBU CFNS: okay. So

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SBU CFNS: oh, there we go.

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SBU CFNS: So talking about a lot of things

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SBU CFNS: have been done. But there's still tons of margin to do the permanent magnetic water polls have been ordered, and the deliveries

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SBU CFNS: probably march

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SBU CFNS: The target ladder

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SBU CFNS: exists at that trial.

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SBU CFNS: that, I think is in reason, though she

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I like it.

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SBU CFNS: the the motor, for

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SBU CFNS: I don't think we're going to get away with that

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SBU CFNS: we we I want to talk to

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SBU CFNS: to redesign my motor control so that it can be turned off.

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And yeah, okay, yeah, good.

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SBU CFNS: Yeah. So target ladder exists. The spectrometer magnet

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SBU CFNS: design is in reasonable shape, but still needs to be finalized.

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SBU CFNS: the G dem detect. There is what was the thing on that you want to, Bobby, to do

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SBU CFNS: the magnet. Oh, sorry the target ladder drive.

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SBU CFNS: If you unplug the control box.

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SBU CFNS: the more it turns on

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SBU CFNS: and

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SBU CFNS: drives the target, and

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SBU CFNS: it does. Okay, that's pretty interesting.

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SBU CFNS: When you turn it off it stays off any it, regardless of whether you've tabled it or not, you just be as long as the power it's still on

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SBU CFNS: available to the

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SBU CFNS: to the motor.

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SBU CFNS: But the control boxes are disconnected. Okay, that's interesting.

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SBU CFNS: Yeah, okay.

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SBU CFNS: yeah, Bobby can address.

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SBU CFNS: Okay.

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SBU CFNS: So the target ladder exists spectrometer magnets and reasonable shape. But we need to finalize it. I'll come back to this the gem detectors, I would say, mostly exist, Michael, you can correct me that they

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SBU CFNS: they're in your

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SBU CFNS: but I think they're mostly existing.

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SBU CFNS: But the mechanics

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SBU CFNS: and the electronics still need to be

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SBU CFNS: works done on it. I'll come to the John separately.

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SBU CFNS: and the trigger scintillators. They can correct. They mostly exist. But the assembly and the testing still needs to be done.

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SBU CFNS: Yeah, we have all the components, I they haven't been assembled. But it's not that much.

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SBU CFNS: Yeah.

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SBU CFNS: So there's still a lot of details that need to be managed. So for each item we need to finalize the design, and then everyone has to sign off on it. So that's not just

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SBU CFNS: you know me signing off on the magnet

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SBU CFNS: but everybody else try to collaborate and has to

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SBU CFNS: be satisfied with the design. Then we can go go ahead, order components, machine, assemble, etc., and test

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SBU CFNS: ship to triumph. We've got to take care of export and custom shootings. I come back to that a little bit later.

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SBU CFNS: then it's received the triumph.

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SBU CFNS: and

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SBU CFNS: they probably

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SBU CFNS: look at it and think about it and send it back.

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SBU CFNS: but

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SBU CFNS: eventually it will get installed in the experiment, and then we can table everything and test it.

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SBU CFNS: so scattering chamber.

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SBU CFNS: The design is straightforward.

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SBU CFNS: but we need to finalize the angles. You know it it

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SBU CFNS: i'm perfectly happy, saying that the angles are 20 and 39 degrees.

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SBU CFNS: but if they price to change them, it's, you know it's

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SBU CFNS: you know. We need to know that people we build the scattering chamber.

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SBU CFNS: and then I was a little surprised, Ernie

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SBU CFNS: when Chris said that the scattering chamber was 14 inches in diameter. That that was the flash diameter

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Ernie Ihloff: does the outside of the flanch diameter. Okay, the chamber is smaller than that, probably either 10 or 12. I think it's probably 10. My guess maybe 12.

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SBU CFNS: No, it's

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SBU CFNS: It's 12.

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Ernie Ihloff: Okay, yeah, 12. Yeah. If it's a 14 and a half that'll work.

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SBU CFNS: Okay. Now, the Chamber has to be 12, because the permanent magnet, it goes.

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SBU CFNS: They are asked to be 15 cm away from the target center, or else the being blows out faster than we can control it again.

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Ernie Ihloff: Okay.

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SBU CFNS: So that's yeah. When you said when it came up that it was 14, I was just trying to get a scale, my head and crystal on the outside of the god flat. Yeah, yeah.

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SBU CFNS: and then do we need a vacuum.

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SBU CFNS: Either I am I. I am pump.

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SBU CFNS: We. This needs to be clarified. We can put one underneath

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SBU CFNS: It's there's room to do it.

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SBU CFNS: and are there any other gauges that try would like to be placed there, you know.

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SBU CFNS: for your monitoring or whatever

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Ernie Ihloff: So these are questions that we, the normal thing, for when we bring stuff to other Nash, other labs is, we put a typical 2 and 3 quarter inch, Blanche, and then the label supply a gauge. We put on it. They'll probably be Chris. I I would be surprised if Chris didn't stick to 2 or 3 quarters.

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Ernie Ihloff: one for a roughing valve and leak checking and one for.

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SBU CFNS: gauging if he needed it. Yeah, i'm pretty sure he didn't do that.

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SBU CFNS: and he's got the 2 ports of 45 degrees for cameras and infrared camera if we if we wanted. So

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SBU CFNS: but okay, once we get the scattering chamber finalized, then there's a rather easy support frame.

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Ernie Ihloff: Then we need to get approval from prior when everyone else and we can send it out for manufacture. Can I ask one quick question? Because sometimes, when we work at different labs, we have different approval. Like at Jefferson Lab. We have to deal with it.

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Ernie Ihloff: They assign us a design authority, so that's person that reviews all our stuff before it goes out to get made or other labs, you know. There's some kind of

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Ernie Ihloff: formal, you know. Look at it, and make sure that it's all good. I don't know what the deal is a trial.

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I'm still trying to figure that out, too. I think we'll need to have a try and engineer at least look at it. I'm going to figure that out.

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Ernie Ihloff: Yeah, that that's typical of what we do here is, Have a have a

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Ernie Ihloff: deal with somebody at the lab who who Basically, looks over everything and goes. Okay, yeah, we want to have no nowhere Who? Well, the data or what this is.

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that happen. And then I think we'll need to find an educator to sign off.

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Ernie Ihloff: But I don't know.

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SBU CFNS: Yeah, that's what I meant when I put this get approval.

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SBU CFNS: I I just wondered if yeah, how? How formal it was. Yeah.

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SBU CFNS: okay. Now.

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SBU CFNS: the other thing is the final exit being line cannot be

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SBU CFNS: well then on until we got the

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SBU CFNS: the quadrupole magnet. So the first one gets welded onto the exit main line.

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SBU CFNS: and then we can assemble and test for for vacuum updates.

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SBU CFNS: and then we can ship it if assuming it gets down to whatever kind of wine stack.

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SBU CFNS: the spectrometer magnets, I think, are in reasonable shape.

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SBU CFNS: Ernie. You can correct me if you don't think so. we're meeting on Wednesday to outline.

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SBU CFNS: together with Jim and a new engineer that's joining the group

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SBU CFNS: and Chris. We're all going to sit together and go over what still needs to be done in particular. What on? We need to bring out the

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SBU CFNS: the cables for the.

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SBU CFNS: and they need to be connected to the power supply at some point

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SBU CFNS: and the safety requirement either.

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SBU CFNS: How

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SBU CFNS: so that the people can't stick their fingers in? Or is it sufficient to rapid with?

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Ernie Ihloff: you know, or realistically, that's that's very easy stuff that we do all the time? It's, you know we we use Nima approved boxes and stuff

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Ernie Ihloff: for this national electric code. So we we're fine with this.

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SBU CFNS: and then we've we haven't yet figured out what alignment features we're going to mount from the magnet. But obviously there's going to be at least 3

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SBU CFNS: and then the support side is rather straightforward.

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SBU CFNS: i'm hoping we can get the start ordering this before Christmas, but maybe it's

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SBU CFNS: to get approval from clients and everything else. Maybe it's going to be January

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SBU CFNS: This is probably the longest lead item for the experiment.

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SBU CFNS: and then we get it, everything delivered to to base. We test it for current and magnet. I don't know if we can

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SBU CFNS: do some just verify that we get the people we expect. We we have a whole, but I don't have it in a mar here.

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SBU CFNS: okay. So the you have to do that. Now, now I get the it should. Michael.

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SBU CFNS: so basically they exist.

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SBU CFNS: They're unusually large.

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SBU CFNS: and when you add the electron, they become even larger.

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SBU CFNS: but I expect we need to test them that happen before we do anything much.

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SBU CFNS: Okay. So what we still need, though, is drawings that include the electronics and the cable. We need to give this to Chris so that you can realistically

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SBU CFNS: scope out how much real estate your your meeting on the top of that?

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SBU CFNS: Yeah, but then you need to state, or the chambers.

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SBU CFNS: They're centered in one direction anyway.

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SBU CFNS: but if the other direction they also need to be.

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SBU CFNS: I've got the impression from John, that they making me adaptive, or at least a team.

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SBU CFNS: fixed the there the price of tables.

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SBU CFNS: the realistic dimensions for everything. Chris can come up with a a support mechanism.

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SBU CFNS: but I don't know that we've got. We've decided on position and alignment features on the jams

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SBU CFNS: Do we involve markings.

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SBU CFNS: no, You might might use it to survey the You're not going to be a lot right in the back.

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SBU CFNS: Yeah, that sounds like a horrible it.

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SBU CFNS: Oh, this one.

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SBU CFNS: Yeah, I I expect from having a movable that you can see.

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SBU CFNS: right? Yeah, I agree. All these things are possible, but

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SBU CFNS: it's the cost and the effort. And what's

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SBU CFNS: Ernie, Can you hear John?

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SBU CFNS: Barely. What can you repeat? He's he's talking about having a call and an adjustable

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SBU CFNS: in front of the dialogue?

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Ernie Ihloff: Look! Anything is absolutely possible. But in your time scale, and, you know, getting this done, adding more features is probably not the way to go. If you want to actually get anything done.

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SBU CFNS: All right. They should be. The question.

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SBU CFNS: assuming we've got a design for the shielding that we want to do, we can install the shield.

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SBU CFNS: maybe. Yeah, I think I think it's. I think it's. If everything goes well and we're prepared, it's

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SBU CFNS: I assume. No.

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SBU CFNS: no thanks.

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SBU CFNS: and then everything else can be installed

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SBU CFNS: when there is access to the area.

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SBU CFNS: I don't know what time schedule is. Maybe they will say something about it in the next talk or something.

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SBU CFNS: now.

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SBU CFNS: Yeah. But it's possible that other things can be installed during

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SBU CFNS: I have their access area when when

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SBU CFNS: they're doing something else with the the healing act or whatever we have access to the area.

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SBU CFNS: But that means our manpower has to be more flexible

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SBU CFNS: of my hosts.

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SBU CFNS: Okay. So manpower. I suggested that Mit Dates would send

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SBU CFNS: at least one engineer and one tech nation

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SBU CFNS: to work on the installation and graduate students and post docs as they.

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SBU CFNS: I expect, where we want.

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SBU CFNS: we graduate students, and most talks to be there for a significant part of the installation.

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SBU CFNS: Very good. So even, and probably and hopefully salary.

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SBU CFNS: we'll be there. and i'll probably make an appearance.

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SBU CFNS: Okay, and

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SBU CFNS: I don't know who's coming from Bates, Jim, or

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SBU CFNS: ornate, or and I don't know what Joe got it, or somebody as a type mentioned

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SBU CFNS: and half of them. I don't know

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SBU CFNS: I need to. My okay.

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SBU CFNS: okay, and I'm: assuming that

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SBU CFNS: some combination of Uvc. And I'm. In total, where they and say memories.

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SBU CFNS: we'll take care of the figure. Separator:

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SBU CFNS: yeah, and

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SBU CFNS: made a mistake. When I wrote this schedule that I might be on off the book I didn't ask for status of the electronics, and that

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SBU CFNS: all this

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SBU CFNS: okay, and obviously we need to try and survey group but critical points that are in the schedule.

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SBU CFNS: the trial vacuum group is gonna have to approve everything in that, and also be there when we start pumping things.

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SBU CFNS: and each group needs to bring their own manpower equipment tools. I don't think we should be running around trying to

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SBU CFNS: find things that trial

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SBU CFNS: than we need, so everything should be.

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SBU CFNS: We can coordinate that something with what we will bring. But

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SBU CFNS: anyway.

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SBU CFNS: So just some bureaucracy.

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SBU CFNS: We need some formal letters of cooperation between the laboratories an agreement memorandum of understanding whatever you want to call it.

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SBU CFNS: we need this not just for our own better, but it's like for import and export.

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SBU CFNS: What do we do with the equipment?

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SBU CFNS: You want your guns back.

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SBU CFNS: and in which case.

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SBU CFNS: how much money are you willing to pay for them to get them back.

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SBU CFNS: you know.

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SBU CFNS: because you know, it's no trouble exporting something temporarily for one year.

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SBU CFNS: No cost. We get it right that time. You get it back. Yeah, but you have to get it exported and return within one year.

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SBU CFNS: This experiment is going to run about 3 years, I expect.

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SBU CFNS: and

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SBU CFNS: I don't think that's a 3 year temporary export.

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SBU CFNS: If we have some memorandum of understanding, or whatever.

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SBU CFNS: then maybe we can bypass some of the export controls.

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SBU CFNS: So we need to draft that. So we need to investigate this.

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SBU CFNS: You have any information now or

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SBU CFNS: a little. I've been in contact with our finance. People who are used to networks from this stuff. They have essentially said that we are going to be.

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SBU CFNS: But that really is not that I'm going to use that

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SBU CFNS: how long things to come with more power than

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SBU CFNS: have this thing where they didn't want any session to stay in, whatever you need to instruction. With that they're probably not.

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SBU CFNS: How these things are going to work in order to make this a little bit.

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Richard G Milner: I mean triumph must have a lot of experience at doing this. So

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Richard G Milner: yeah.

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SBU CFNS: Okay.

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SBU CFNS: So we need to investigate that

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SBU CFNS: meetings.

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SBU CFNS: you surfing events big announcement. So Lake Louise, somebody from Canada, I think, should go see

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SBU CFNS: a lot.

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SBU CFNS: Hawaii. In October everyone should go but maybe realistically, one or 2 of us should go and present it. But then the then i'll get the credit for this, you know. is said that there is a call for

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SBU CFNS: workshops that go

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SBU CFNS: pretty or post it. It's the day before the visual meeting starts. and there's a really simple Google form application, but it's a 6, so

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SBU CFNS: 3 from the

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SBU CFNS: so we could.

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SBU CFNS: you know. Send some speakers. yeah. The the key thing is to find Japanese go organizers. That's the key thing. So there there are 2 ideas. maybe Toshimi Suda could be someone on the Japanese side kind of chosen because we we don't know she Me?

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SBU CFNS: then be sure you also suggested. Maybe having someone from now. You can talk about their their efforts, their data analysis. but I don't know any names for that.

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Richard G Milner: Yeah, No, that sounds good. We might want to broaden it from dark matter. I mean you. You want to think about the focus. It might be.

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Richard G Milner: you know. It might be low energy electrons high intensity. So you know, it would be interesting to overlap with with the Script group that we can, You know that are doing the electron scattering from a rare isotopes that that Toshim is part of.

443
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Richard G Milner: See if I want to think about the science focus. But probably the first thing to do is make contact with the Japanese colleagues and then develop a science focus and go from there. Yeah, no, it's. It's a really good idea.

444
00:40:40.390 --> 00:40:41.120
Richard G Milner: Yeah.

445
00:40:41.240 --> 00:40:42.959
Richard G Milner: Where Where is that, Michael?

446
00:40:43.010 --> 00:41:00.799
SBU CFNS: Oh, that that sounds great. I mean, I think, yeah, workshop. So yeah, that that that was kind of my idea for Toshiti. I went and looked through the talks that were given at the aerial workshop that was organized by this room.

447
00:41:00.890 --> 00:41:14.799
SBU CFNS: and and I look through to. She's talk there, and I saw a whole bunch of electron scattering stuff that he mentioned. I thought we should just talk more about it, but we're buying a lot lately. 10 times one yearly.

448
00:41:15.900 --> 00:41:19.430
SBU CFNS: They're all ready to say

449
00:41:20.500 --> 00:41:32.790
SBU CFNS: so. The deadline for the workshop application is January the fifteenth. I think so. We have a little bit of time, but we also should not wait not to ship it Contact that the Japanese.

450
00:41:36.160 --> 00:41:46.430
SBU CFNS: Okay. The last thing was the next collaboration meeting. I think it would be worthwhile having a collaboration meeting at triumph in May

451
00:41:46.700 --> 00:41:51.950
SBU CFNS: of next year. this is before the installation

452
00:41:52.130 --> 00:41:54.029
SBU CFNS: periods.

453
00:41:54.320 --> 00:42:04.570
SBU CFNS: and it's just for us to make sure all the ducks are lined up, and then a rolling. But there's, guns, one of them all, and

454
00:42:04.610 --> 00:42:05.459
SBU CFNS: you know

455
00:42:05.490 --> 00:42:09.600
SBU CFNS: we can review the status and then plan for the installation.

456
00:42:09.930 --> 00:42:17.059
SBU CFNS: Oh, Richard, no! Let you finish. I I just wanted I had some when you're done. Thanks.

457
00:42:17.860 --> 00:42:21.469
SBU CFNS: That's it. That's all I have. Actually, I I

458
00:42:22.220 --> 00:42:26.079
SBU CFNS: I wanted I was going to raise something about funding right.

459
00:42:26.220 --> 00:42:32.270
SBU CFNS: I don't know

460
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Bye.

461
00:42:33.950 --> 00:42:35.160
SBU CFNS: Go ahead, Richard.

462
00:42:36.220 --> 00:42:42.490
Richard G Milner: Yeah, that was excellent. just a couple of thoughts. One was, I I think, your

463
00:42:42.610 --> 00:42:45.309
Richard G Milner: plan, which was reasonable.

464
00:42:45.950 --> 00:43:02.350
Richard G Milner: was all predicated on just putting the experiment together directly on the floor, which, of course, is best. I just wondered if we shouldn't think about having a staging area at the lab where we could stage things, you know, in case schedule slip or something. So that was just something to think about.

465
00:43:03.040 --> 00:43:13.920
Richard G Milner: the other comment was, okay, the meetings are fine. But I I you know you, you outlined what is to be done, and who's supposed to do it? The only have to have like a regular.

466
00:43:14.100 --> 00:43:21.520
Richard G Milner: I would say a monthly meeting to track progress on on all of us if we go to have a chance to be ready, and

467
00:43:21.700 --> 00:43:22.719
Richard G Milner: in the summer

468
00:43:23.260 --> 00:43:27.340
SBU CFNS: you think, in addition to the normal weekly meetings.

469
00:43:27.370 --> 00:43:34.720
Richard G Milner: Well, I don't know. Okay, You know, I I think we needed. You know the that we have everything from workshops to

470
00:43:34.900 --> 00:43:40.349
Richard G Milner: the physics. I think we need like a coordination meeting that tracks the the

471
00:43:40.810 --> 00:43:51.079
Richard G Milner: you know. I I don't know that that just seems to me fairly obvious just to follow up on what you've set up, just assuming it's all gonna happen in weekly meetings.

472
00:43:51.090 --> 00:44:03.620
Richard G Milner: I don't know I I I would think it day. Maybe one of the weekly meetings. Maybe that's the way to do it. Every month is dedicated to tracking the schedule or something like that.

473
00:44:03.800 --> 00:44:10.710
SBU CFNS: I feel like this is we're we're pretty sure that like.

474
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Yeah.

475
00:44:13.700 --> 00:44:15.490
Richard G Milner: Good. Yeah. Thanks. That was it?

476
00:44:17.020 --> 00:44:20.839
SBU CFNS: Okay? Any other questions

477
00:44:29.020 --> 00:44:33.760
SBU CFNS: they would this need to be? How close to? I have some space?

478
00:44:41.220 --> 00:44:42.549
Maybe you have a sign that you know

479
00:44:46.400 --> 00:44:58.789
SBU CFNS: to you.

480
00:45:10.710 --> 00:45:11.399
Bye.

481
00:45:34.860 --> 00:45:44.370
SBU CFNS: Yeah.

482
00:45:53.570 --> 00:46:03.829
SBU CFNS: And

483
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SBU CFNS: because I have to prove this. some of the electronics are currently

484
00:46:10.370 --> 00:46:15.980
SBU CFNS: which is

485
00:46:16.160 --> 00:46:19.050
SBU CFNS: in July and August and September

486
00:46:20.770 --> 00:46:26.520
SBU CFNS: that uses the maximum number of.

487
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SBU CFNS: and it's so operating for them

488
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in addition

489
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SBU CFNS: all the

490
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SBU CFNS: so I don't have.

491
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SBU CFNS: They're all it's about 25 like that

492
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SBU CFNS: in October the 20 third no

493
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SBU CFNS: so

494
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SBU CFNS: one or some more.

495
00:47:59.100 --> 00:48:00.299
SBU CFNS: I'm cloud ready.

496
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SBU CFNS: supply it.

497
00:48:01.780 --> 00:48:03.959
SBU CFNS: So it was gone.

498
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SBU CFNS: They no.

499
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a few 100, and

500
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Ernie Ihloff: so the ones we use before I thought, needed like

501
00:48:19.950 --> 00:48:22.230
Ernie Ihloff: special mounting, and all this

502
00:48:22.460 --> 00:48:30.590
Ernie Ihloff: power supplies, you know they take a certain voltage they were first hard to get. You could only get them from them in some university in the Uk.

503
00:48:30.760 --> 00:48:39.440
SBU CFNS: And then they had to be wire bonded in, or something.

504
00:48:43.360 --> 00:48:44.250
SBU CFNS: Oh, well.

505
00:48:57.750 --> 00:48:58.989
SBU CFNS: in all a

506
00:48:59.220 --> 00:49:00.310
SBU CFNS: next summer.

507
00:49:00.430 --> 00:49:01.189
Okay.

508
00:49:01.410 --> 00:49:02.600
SBU CFNS: and

509
00:49:03.060 --> 00:49:05.880
SBU CFNS: so most costs become available again

510
00:49:06.080 --> 00:49:08.530
SBU CFNS: after August September.

511
00:49:09.300 --> 00:49:17.609
SBU CFNS: So we could get

512
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SBU CFNS: and add the second towards the end of the year.

513
00:49:21.240 --> 00:49:23.189
SBU CFNS: Yeah, that seems possible.

514
00:49:23.260 --> 00:49:33.969
SBU CFNS: Yeah. Yeah. And then I really

515
00:49:34.290 --> 00:49:38.329
SBU CFNS: coming to client. It's not impossible, but

516
00:49:38.430 --> 00:49:39.950
SBU CFNS: scheduled it. And

517
00:49:40.190 --> 00:49:45.920
SBU CFNS: Andton has put on the long list of

518
00:49:46.060 --> 00:49:48.029
SBU CFNS: we.

519
00:49:52.780 --> 00:50:05.200
SBU CFNS: So I hope to have a graduate student and a post office.

520
00:50:09.270 --> 00:50:13.679
SBU CFNS: The more I can do that.

521
00:50:16.460 --> 00:50:17.350
SBU CFNS: Oh.

522
00:50:17.460 --> 00:50:18.080
on it

523
00:50:25.190 --> 00:50:26.820
SBU CFNS: I don't forget with all those

524
00:50:27.080 --> 00:50:29.230
SBU CFNS: you know, in a more

525
00:50:37.200 --> 00:50:52.060
SBU CFNS: Yeah, no. I think that's fine. I've been much happier to get everything working. I say about it. I I don't. I don't think we can get all the 4 Jones for readily in the final condition, working for

526
00:50:52.190 --> 00:50:53.290
installation.

527
00:50:53.760 --> 00:50:54.740
It's not possible.

528
00:51:04.170 --> 00:51:08.760
SBU CFNS: yes, I see what?

529
00:51:12.900 --> 00:51:15.519
SBU CFNS: Well, now we found something

530
00:51:15.830 --> 00:51:16.799
SBU CFNS: good.

531
00:51:16.850 --> 00:51:19.700
SBU CFNS: and we

532
00:51:19.880 --> 00:51:23.969
SBU CFNS: put them on some more. So I might

533
00:51:36.800 --> 00:51:38.779
SBU CFNS: or you have to. People with PGA.

534
00:52:05.140 --> 00:52:05.729
What are we?

535
00:52:06.480 --> 00:52:08.129
And and

536
00:52:08.240 --> 00:52:11.510
SBU CFNS: so

537
00:52:24.990 --> 00:52:25.720
Yeah.

538
00:52:26.520 --> 00:52:29.130
SBU CFNS: you know, we had some. So I don't know

539
00:52:29.690 --> 00:52:36.629
SBU CFNS: if you just need to.

540
00:52:36.810 --> 00:52:38.279
SBU CFNS: Yeah, it's just a meadow

541
00:52:40.470 --> 00:52:41.250
from that.

542
00:52:41.320 --> 00:52:44.919
SBU CFNS: Yeah, i'm the the Sps program in the full swing

543
00:52:45.130 --> 00:52:52.290
SBU CFNS: and GM: our people's office scheduled, and again on the schedule for next summer. That's the maximum set up

544
00:52:52.590 --> 00:53:00.940
SBU CFNS: of the g

545
00:53:01.930 --> 00:53:14.220
SBU CFNS: fewer than so at that point in the fall. I expect some of my

546
00:53:31.550 --> 00:53:35.240
SBU CFNS: okay I'll I'll look in my

547
00:53:36.050 --> 00:53:36.879
Okay.

548
00:53:37.360 --> 00:53:39.450
SBU CFNS: I mean, you know

549
00:53:41.380 --> 00:53:44.690
SBU CFNS: you can do all that, but it's a lot of work to consider

550
00:53:46.580 --> 00:53:51.209
SBU CFNS: this stuff.

551
00:53:51.890 --> 00:53:54.650
SBU CFNS: and it's just a matter of time.

552
00:53:54.700 --> 00:53:55.399
Okay.

553
00:54:01.080 --> 00:54:04.749
SBU CFNS: Okay, anything else, one. This

554
00:54:05.830 --> 00:54:07.769
SBU CFNS: I don't over my time.

555
00:54:09.890 --> 00:54:11.699
SBU CFNS: I have.

556
00:54:11.950 --> 00:54:14.339
SBU CFNS: Yeah, I'm only 5

557
00:54:16.260 --> 00:54:18.479
SBU CFNS: and I would say.

558
00:54:21.720 --> 00:54:22.589
Okay.

559
00:54:29.760 --> 00:54:32.990
yeah.

560
00:54:35.540 --> 00:54:42.550
SBU CFNS: we're gonna break for 5, 10 min while we get coffee and then skate is out of the room.

561
00:54:51.820 --> 00:54:52.650
First thing I have

562
00:55:01.310 --> 00:55:02.330
this is

563
00:55:11.180 --> 00:55:12.240
and

564
00:55:16.690 --> 00:55:19.740
SBU CFNS: the first thing we did in terms of the

565
00:55:20.060 --> 00:55:27.680
SBU CFNS: and it's eyes chart red and a crowd of me.

566
00:55:27.810 --> 00:55:29.209
SBU CFNS: the judge of character.

567
00:55:29.500 --> 00:55:34.380
SBU CFNS: It was a

568
00:55:34.730 --> 00:55:36.039
SBU CFNS: Where are you going?

569
00:55:38.230 --> 00:55:41.539
SBU CFNS: Unexpected response.

570
00:55:41.630 --> 00:55:50.859
SBU CFNS: Which it turns out like that. This is what that? Because what does when you like About 3 s, right? So that's that kind of like.

571
00:55:51.160 --> 00:55:53.229
SBU CFNS: Okay.

572
00:55:53.550 --> 00:56:04.379
SBU CFNS: but if you don't understand what the thing is, you contribute a lot of intelligence to it until you start to see very

573
00:56:04.820 --> 00:56:05.870
everywhere

574
00:56:12.120 --> 00:56:14.649
SBU CFNS: it it I'll show you something it from here.

575
00:56:14.830 --> 00:56:19.660
SBU CFNS: Oh, yeah, so I I wrote. I gave this these first 2 lines.

576
00:56:21.020 --> 00:56:32.889
SBU CFNS: Okay, this is My: so I actually I add this right here, but it add the third one I was basically completely changes what I'm asking to do with it because something that goes back and then asked, what does this look like?

577
00:56:38.850 --> 00:56:39.620
What I would be.

578
00:56:43.190 --> 00:56:47.500
SBU CFNS: But I I was intrigued that.

579
00:56:47.570 --> 00:56:48.240
Okay.

580
00:57:00.870 --> 00:57:01.529
Okay.

581
00:57:05.470 --> 00:57:06.290
So

582
00:57:06.470 --> 00:57:11.259
SBU CFNS: this is

583
00:57:12.520 --> 00:57:13.129
okay.

584
00:57:17.580 --> 00:57:18.830
SBU CFNS: This is.

585
00:57:25.090 --> 00:57:29.749
SBU CFNS: It can also translate languages. It can write this in that is the requirement.

586
00:57:29.990 --> 00:57:36.330
SBU CFNS: I mean.

587
00:57:36.470 --> 00:57:42.599
SBU CFNS: yeah, we're on the spot, you know, pretty.

588
00:57:43.090 --> 00:57:45.400
SBU CFNS: This is the the only way I said that

589
00:57:45.670 --> 00:57:46.969
SBU CFNS: it is.

590
00:58:10.350 --> 00:58:11.300
and memorizes it

591
00:58:20.690 --> 00:58:21.500
over

592
00:58:57.780 --> 00:58:59.089
just some time to go back.

593
00:58:59.140 --> 00:59:00.919
No.

594
00:59:06.370 --> 00:59:07.160
it's here.

595
00:59:20.650 --> 00:59:24.250
SBU CFNS: It is a

596
00:59:24.600 --> 00:59:29.329
SBU CFNS: I also pull into the account, but instead of saying it.

597
00:59:33.040 --> 00:59:34.310
SBU CFNS: it's a

598
00:59:36.840 --> 00:59:37.459
I guess that will be.

599
00:59:38.510 --> 00:59:41.790
SBU CFNS: it is going to say the numbers. It also could be complete. This

600
00:59:42.910 --> 00:59:45.889
SBU CFNS: that's it. 1, 2, 3,

601
00:59:45.920 --> 00:59:51.849
SBU CFNS: It couldn't it not to my

602
00:59:52.200 --> 00:59:56.649
SBU CFNS: although

603
01:00:10.950 --> 01:00:22.009
SBU CFNS: lang.

604
01:00:22.100 --> 01:00:23.250
SBU CFNS: Is that correct?

605
01:00:23.330 --> 01:00:26.160
Yeah.

606
01:00:26.330 --> 01:00:30.840
SBU CFNS: Now, now, say it's not either. Coffee.

607
01:00:36.440 --> 01:00:39.020
SBU CFNS: Yeah.

608
01:00:40.860 --> 01:00:41.640
SBU CFNS: So

609
01:00:50.370 --> 01:01:00.250
SBU CFNS: all right, Was it? Actually it's it's it's it's it's so much. It's it's it's it's it's so much.

610
01:01:00.910 --> 01:01:06.580
SBU CFNS: This is the last time I write it talk by hand. It's having to chat back to the next.

611
01:01:06.670 --> 01:01:15.159
SBU CFNS: No, it's it's white tech that we've compiled, we'll produce my yeah and the top describing.

612
01:01:15.990 --> 01:01:18.840
SBU CFNS: And then I look. Yeah, the problem is, it it doesn't?

613
01:01:18.940 --> 01:01:31.739
SBU CFNS: It's probably better to

614
01:01:32.060 --> 01:01:50.589
SBU CFNS: terribly met a sense that their chatbot hallucinates. What they mean is all it does is make stuff up. It sounds like it's it's it's it's a right wrong, except that it knows that it shows up in certain places. And

615
01:01:59.480 --> 01:02:00.149
SBU CFNS: yeah.

616
01:02:01.940 --> 01:02:03.589
you mean some of the

617
01:02:05.000 --> 01:02:07.930
SBU CFNS: there is.

618
01:02:16.580 --> 01:02:17.250
But

619
01:02:26.470 --> 01:02:34.520
SBU CFNS: yes. But there's also

620
01:02:35.470 --> 01:02:37.950
what we're doing is very relevant.

621
01:02:51.380 --> 01:02:52.599
it should be next.

622
01:02:53.500 --> 01:02:54.129
That's good

623
01:03:01.020 --> 01:03:01.779
to it.

624
01:03:17.160 --> 01:03:18.040
Right?

625
01:04:02.530 --> 01:04:03.180
i'm sorry

626
01:04:03.410 --> 01:04:10.019
SBU CFNS: I I I want to know, but I don't know

627
01:04:13.840 --> 01:04:14.580
any more

628
01:04:15.250 --> 01:04:16.330
very.

629
01:04:18.450 --> 01:04:20.689
But it is

630
01:04:34.970 --> 01:04:48.259
SBU CFNS: the

631
01:04:48.610 --> 01:04:50.279
SBU CFNS: I I

632
01:05:20.330 --> 01:05:23.930
SBU CFNS: and then no, that's actually what I did.

633
01:05:24.200 --> 01:05:25.470
SBU CFNS: I know it.

634
01:05:25.590 --> 01:05:28.930
SBU CFNS: Things like that are

635
01:05:32.510 --> 01:05:33.769
SBU CFNS: to their readers.

636
01:05:36.960 --> 01:05:40.149
SBU CFNS: It knows

637
01:05:40.320 --> 01:05:48.140
SBU CFNS: it's it's it's it's

638
01:05:48.920 --> 01:05:49.889
SBU CFNS: every time. Is that

639
01:05:50.300 --> 01:05:50.880
there you go

640
01:05:53.530 --> 01:05:56.669
SBU CFNS: It's it's completing the chat box.

641
01:05:56.730 --> 01:05:57.330
Are you

642
01:05:57.760 --> 01:06:00.649
SBU CFNS: using the current chat?

643
01:06:06.440 --> 01:06:23.910
SBU CFNS: Yeah.

644
01:06:23.990 --> 01:06:25.839
SBU CFNS: Oh, yeah, no, Sorry no worries.

645
01:06:26.310 --> 01:06:41.229
SBU CFNS: right? So this is basically an addition to what that talked about earlier. We can see that she had a setting on the agenda for this, so she there are some additional thoughts on the whole scheduling and insulation, etc. question. that we can just take a look at here.

646
01:06:41.690 --> 01:06:44.100
SBU CFNS: So

647
01:06:44.360 --> 01:06:48.569
SBU CFNS: yeah, for statement of how the lab handles things is that normally

648
01:06:48.710 --> 01:07:05.589
SBU CFNS: triumphs responsibility, and it's where you'd be like the experiment to the in line for most things. but because darklight is not in an experimental hole in the case in in the middle of the as operated by triumph, it's going to assume more responsibility for everything working.

649
01:07:05.700 --> 01:07:06.500
SBU CFNS: and

650
01:07:06.920 --> 01:07:09.939
SBU CFNS: make sure that that is the case. So

651
01:07:10.200 --> 01:07:12.510
SBU CFNS: at least

652
01:07:13.910 --> 01:07:27.720
SBU CFNS: you know what I mean. So they are going to say, here are the criteria that your device must have, and we will sure it has at all times.

653
01:07:27.730 --> 01:07:35.300
SBU CFNS: Yes; but in addition to that, I believe that they will want to clean things themselves, be part of installation, etc., etc., to make sure that

654
01:07:35.320 --> 01:07:38.990
everything has a try, and it's done.

655
01:07:41.010 --> 01:07:42.500
SBU CFNS: That's my question from 70.

656
01:07:46.800 --> 01:08:00.329
SBU CFNS: We don't have to be like that. They don't care about that right, like the the experiments outside of the like would be my components. I think this is not damaging this

657
01:08:00.590 --> 01:08:07.549
SBU CFNS: shared vacuum.

658
01:08:08.280 --> 01:08:10.069
SBU CFNS: That makes sense.

659
01:08:10.190 --> 01:08:21.409
SBU CFNS: Yeah. So this is similar to when the test chamber that we got in there right now, it will.

660
01:08:21.640 --> 01:08:26.450
SBU CFNS: It's not have to to some extent.

661
01:08:31.000 --> 01:08:33.140
you know.

662
01:08:34.020 --> 01:08:37.500
what we want to build now. We have built.

663
01:08:41.520 --> 01:08:44.359
SBU CFNS: I think so. So as soon as we have a

664
01:08:48.770 --> 01:08:57.800
SBU CFNS: I again need to investigate more. I've asked around, and i'm still confused is what I would say. I know who our design office people are, I know.

665
01:08:57.850 --> 01:09:00.530
SBU CFNS: engineers that try and find the

666
01:09:00.670 --> 01:09:03.350
SBU CFNS: this step in this step of going through.

667
01:09:03.600 --> 01:09:06.210
SBU CFNS: or what it looks like when we

668
01:09:07.120 --> 01:09:09.370
SBU CFNS: most things that try to

669
01:09:09.450 --> 01:09:12.229
SBU CFNS: are designed by people. So

670
01:09:12.279 --> 01:09:18.010
SBU CFNS: the external because i'm going in with something that like, I have asked about people like, oh, yeah, we can do that. But I don't know

671
01:09:19.710 --> 01:09:23.790
SBU CFNS: that's what that looks like. I would talk to everyone at this time first.

672
01:09:26.939 --> 01:09:27.590
Yeah.

673
01:09:28.380 --> 01:09:45.070
SBU CFNS: So yeah, you guys you've met done for the yeah. He's in charge of the lines group and responsible for most of the installation.

674
01:09:45.080 --> 01:09:51.789
SBU CFNS: So any time we have in charge of that on the last side. he was at our design review.

675
01:10:05.120 --> 01:10:14.409
SBU CFNS: yeah, we have. We discussed the materials, I think, what certainly is talking about. There is materials that are touching.

676
01:10:14.770 --> 01:10:20.450
SBU CFNS: I live in the windows, the target material, all of that stuff. we discussed this in the designer. Do you?

677
01:10:21.150 --> 01:10:26.899
SBU CFNS: People are more or less on board. But again, we should make sure that that's already confirmed before we finalize the design.

678
01:10:34.970 --> 01:10:36.340
SBU CFNS: right so

679
01:10:36.460 --> 01:10:43.780
SBU CFNS: time that we need from Doug and from the rest of the line that is coordinated through this triumph.

680
01:10:44.010 --> 01:10:46.930
SBU CFNS: project priority planning system.

681
01:10:49.230 --> 01:11:06.279
SBU CFNS: Peter knows what we need, but I can tell him to help us out Stephanie's bullet point here that we need to tell.

682
01:11:06.590 --> 01:11:08.809
SBU CFNS: It is the responsibility of the lab right

683
01:11:08.880 --> 01:11:22.669
SBU CFNS: every 3 months. The lab director that's at most of the paper, with every project going on the client right all that on a big table, and puts in their priority order top of bottom, and for the next 3 months that determines which.

684
01:11:22.770 --> 01:11:37.839
SBU CFNS: So we need Nigel to believe that we need this if we in fact, I haven't been working on this, and we have been gradually.

685
01:11:38.150 --> 01:11:41.339
SBU CFNS: There's the

686
01:11:41.600 --> 01:11:42.820
SBU CFNS: I don't know what

687
01:11:43.000 --> 01:11:47.179
SBU CFNS: we don't need to be, ran the tired of someone else to make

688
01:11:49.430 --> 01:11:51.390
SBU CFNS: Now that said

689
01:11:51.540 --> 01:12:00.349
SBU CFNS: every 3 months. So we have this discussion. We also get a chance to tell the what the resources we're going to

690
01:12:00.400 --> 01:12:08.400
SBU CFNS: we should let people know further that we're going to be really involved. So I would think, mechanical services. For example, I should alert

691
01:12:08.530 --> 01:12:12.729
SBU CFNS: as soon as we have a

692
01:12:16.060 --> 01:12:20.340
SBU CFNS: and they can more or less the

693
01:12:21.270 --> 01:12:22.130
SBU CFNS: But

694
01:12:22.840 --> 01:12:27.130
SBU CFNS: But yeah, we sort of tell them

695
01:12:27.150 --> 01:12:35.230
SBU CFNS: as we should be in contact with all the individual groups in against. And then, when it comes to the review for that installation.

696
01:12:39.620 --> 01:12:41.159
SBU CFNS: and hopefully they will.

697
01:12:41.750 --> 01:12:50.289
SBU CFNS: That's how that works. yeah. The details in here. Just to go back to this. The details about what will be done by trying people versus what we can do.

698
01:12:52.240 --> 01:12:56.079
SBU CFNS: This is a little bit different than what my understanding was in the past.

699
01:12:56.470 --> 01:13:01.479
SBU CFNS: So I think we need to.

700
01:13:01.570 --> 01:13:10.240
SBU CFNS: Can we bring our own legal? And how about zoom installation. Yes. And now what i'm seeing from Stephanie looks like

701
01:13:10.250 --> 01:13:25.179
SBU CFNS: you to divide one of them. I don't know what the answer is. Between these things. It's again like we we've been asking that we've been hearing. I I don't know how to get a fair amount to what we've been doing so

702
01:13:28.840 --> 01:13:34.170
SBU CFNS: well in in principle, but they blind components. It's just matter.

703
01:13:34.260 --> 01:13:42.799
SBU CFNS: I mean. It took us a while to.

704
01:13:48.520 --> 01:13:55.900
SBU CFNS: and she took a priority for a lot of that stuff. So we were. We were sending priority to that. So

705
01:14:00.640 --> 01:14:02.190
in that place, you know

706
01:14:02.350 --> 01:14:03.880
that's good. So

707
01:14:05.140 --> 01:14:18.299
SBU CFNS: yeah, anyway, all of this hit whenever I answer, I don't know to these things. I swear it's not because I haven't been investigating, because it's very not clear, so we'll need to iron out the details. So for a lot of this stuff.

708
01:14:18.710 --> 01:14:19.450
Sorry. I

709
01:14:19.680 --> 01:14:35.429
SBU CFNS: Yeah, Exactly. okay. Flashing on the schedule here. This is the schedule that tomorrow Stephanie and I put together. You you guys have seen this before, and in fact, it's in my next set of signs as well. this is really just including the stuff the lab is worried about. So it's not including any of these. It's the the that doesn't care about

710
01:14:35.440 --> 01:14:44.910
SBU CFNS: like our triggers, I believe, which are just kind of I mean, we care about them, but it's it's of no particular importance to the various groups you need to rely on that trial

711
01:14:47.350 --> 01:14:52.350
SBU CFNS: to walk quickly through this, and then I will go through it laboriously. And the next talk.

712
01:14:52.430 --> 01:14:57.959
SBU CFNS: the optics design is essentially converged, as we know we've had our concept review.

713
01:14:58.350 --> 01:15:03.269
SBU CFNS: We're roughly here beginning of December, so I've already marked the December things in orangely.

714
01:15:03.660 --> 01:15:18.580
SBU CFNS: What we're doing is what we're potentially late on call major Design. We're in. This is the thing we're like the latest on on this schedule. because we still this is the elevator, and that would go in front of the being back so essentially the last responsibility.

715
01:15:18.770 --> 01:15:21.589
SBU CFNS: we still don't have finalized requirements for this.

716
01:15:22.820 --> 01:15:32.500
SBU CFNS: We're aware again. I'll i'll come back to that. we don't know how long it'll take to the bill, because we don't know how long we have to wait in the queue with the triumph in order to get the ability to make anything

717
01:15:32.850 --> 01:15:34.540
SBU CFNS: shielding design.

718
01:15:34.880 --> 01:15:40.040
SBU CFNS: Obviously, we are kind of sunk on that as well, for now i'll talk about that one entirely.

719
01:15:40.090 --> 01:15:42.640
SBU CFNS: but this is our sort of

720
01:15:42.700 --> 01:15:52.599
SBU CFNS: most concerning leave time thing, because after that we need to update the safety, and also support, and then update our Cnc license, which we budgeted in 2 months. But we really don't know that's the

721
01:15:53.810 --> 01:16:06.010
SBU CFNS: mandate procurement in this case we are actually thinking about the the fact that we need to order the dipole, so that that is on here. And in fact, we will need to do this with some chamber and so on. This obviously is in progress. This is working on this. So

722
01:16:06.610 --> 01:16:21.699
SBU CFNS: we're okay on that and then we're assuming it's Take a while for fabrication testing. And then, if we could actually give to the schedule, this would have us be able to start installation in gym. Let's assume this is by a month or so. maybe more. But that's that's where this says, that's looking right now.

723
01:16:22.200 --> 01:16:25.490
SBU CFNS: so that's the input. That's

724
01:16:26.490 --> 01:16:33.780
SBU CFNS: we can make list of questions to email her or discuss it here for what have you but she's in most of our

725
01:16:34.730 --> 01:16:38.740
SBU CFNS: Tuesday meeting. The

726
01:16:43.590 --> 01:16:52.200
SBU CFNS: Now what's like? There's lots of time for the

727
01:16:52.550 --> 01:16:53.550
SBU CFNS: getting.

728
01:16:57.680 --> 01:17:00.649
SBU CFNS: and it usually is. I think that

729
01:17:01.360 --> 01:17:04.829
what it will actually.

730
01:17:05.020 --> 01:17:05.980
I guess.

731
01:17:08.530 --> 01:17:09.320
Okay.

732
01:17:10.880 --> 01:17:12.680
Okay, Shall we?

733
01:17:12.850 --> 01:17:16.859
SBU CFNS: right? So this is. This is

734
01:17:16.940 --> 01:17:19.419
SBU CFNS: probably the most foreign talk

735
01:17:20.060 --> 01:17:30.420
SBU CFNS: of the

736
01:17:30.860 --> 01:17:33.040
available.

737
01:17:33.380 --> 01:17:34.660
I don't know what

738
01:17:44.670 --> 01:17:50.419
SBU CFNS: I mean. If we are actually selling something it's like

739
01:17:50.870 --> 01:17:59.049
SBU CFNS: before. There is no plan for a shut down next summer right now it will be made up and

740
01:17:59.090 --> 01:18:02.789
we don't know the main science. Users you want to be.

741
01:18:16.540 --> 01:18:26.030
SBU CFNS: Yeah, that's the long term fund, or like 2025 plus right? Now

742
01:18:45.070 --> 01:18:46.590
you have a lot of.

743
01:18:46.920 --> 01:18:59.260
SBU CFNS: But also it's not like, okay for these 2 months. We have to take a machine.

744
01:19:20.990 --> 01:19:21.809
SBU CFNS: only

745
01:19:21.840 --> 01:19:23.359
SBU CFNS: that's what I said.

746
01:19:23.800 --> 01:19:27.800
SBU CFNS: I don't know if we have anyone else to try and online. But this is at least my understanding.

747
01:19:35.460 --> 01:19:37.209
SBU CFNS: that's right. Thank you.

748
01:19:39.260 --> 01:19:41.459
SBU CFNS: Okay.

749
01:19:42.250 --> 01:19:45.460
SBU CFNS: So yeah, like, I said, the Lauren

750
01:19:47.890 --> 01:19:52.770
SBU CFNS: You guys wanted an update on reviews, milestones, general schedule.

751
01:19:53.410 --> 01:20:00.060
SBU CFNS: So what i'm putting in here is what i'm aware of that we specifically need to do, and going through some of the requirements to that.

752
01:20:00.120 --> 01:20:17.899
SBU CFNS: you guys have enjoyed the fun of the the one approval already we did this last spring. Technically speaking, this is the series of dates that I saw in that in the lab have to go through. And again, technically speaking, we shouldn't have to be for a

753
01:20:18.140 --> 01:20:26.920
SBU CFNS: it's on the floor. I think the sensible thing is to go through 2 and 3 as soon as we can.

754
01:20:26.970 --> 01:20:35.810
SBU CFNS: They aren't the only things that are going to affect our schedule, but they're certainly part of it, and it is a useful list of where we should be at to to get rest for tasks going forward.

755
01:20:35.860 --> 01:20:38.709
SBU CFNS: I'll point out here that the

756
01:20:39.480 --> 01:20:50.080
SBU CFNS: for being 0 and day one we're looking at the whole scope of the project, including the and then this one we set that off by. We need to be essentially assigned to the stage, for just

757
01:20:50.460 --> 01:21:01.280
SBU CFNS: we should go ahead and call on this If we get money nice here, we can start a separate chat for but the easiest thing is, we just love it on this. It's really well fine. We don't really

758
01:21:01.700 --> 01:21:04.780
SBU CFNS: more or less. Let me just go ahead with this. So

759
01:21:05.320 --> 01:21:08.969
SBU CFNS: that's the plan the lab is whether that it also looks under one project.

760
01:21:09.480 --> 01:21:24.900
SBU CFNS: so what I've done here is just flash out the checklist of what we actually need to get through for those 2 dates, so that you guys can see where we're at is that way. You know what we're doing. a lot of them are really easy actions for previous review. Address. Yes. Done at least documents up to date. Basically

761
01:21:24.910 --> 01:21:30.869
SBU CFNS: budget finalized, ready to be baseline notes, notes, notes. I checked all this things as we know what I by today.

762
01:21:31.230 --> 01:21:33.639
SBU CFNS: Yes, I don't think there's any concern there.

763
01:21:34.080 --> 01:21:42.510
SBU CFNS: external funding confirmed. Yes, at this point here has tried funding for this project to get for me being confirmed by Ald and or Finance.

764
01:21:43.310 --> 01:21:53.970
SBU CFNS: This one is a little more

765
01:21:54.280 --> 01:21:57.920
SBU CFNS: so we need to confirm with Peter. I think that's the case.

766
01:21:58.460 --> 01:22:05.639
SBU CFNS: But I don't anticipate any problems. we did pass our technical concept review, so we're checked off on that

767
01:22:06.740 --> 01:22:08.779
SBU CFNS: hazard. Analysis is done.

768
01:22:08.800 --> 01:22:16.989
SBU CFNS: They want a big Microsoft Project project management thing going on here, but I check with them, and we can make a case. We don't, in fact, need to do this

769
01:22:17.100 --> 01:22:20.109
SBU CFNS: so sorted. We know our critical path. Yes.

770
01:22:20.290 --> 01:22:25.549
SBU CFNS: do. We have major items of long time that we should buy right now. I mean, yeah.

771
01:22:25.630 --> 01:22:35.490
SBU CFNS: but it's pretty easy to get a mission to that, I think. Because so that should be not not an issue at all.

772
01:22:35.710 --> 01:22:44.020
SBU CFNS: This one right here Does your project have one or more, I think engineering designs that require professional engineers sign off for this document, I believe. Yes.

773
01:22:44.150 --> 01:22:49.860
SBU CFNS: but I also believe the interpretation at this point is they don't need to sign up, but I

774
01:22:51.150 --> 01:22:55.649
SBU CFNS: so check are we going to change the physical security or side of security now.

775
01:22:56.920 --> 01:23:02.579
SBU CFNS: So, as far as i'm concerned, we could go for the change, for it would be funny. We're basically ready to do this.

776
01:23:02.850 --> 01:23:06.799
SBU CFNS: So that's good.

777
01:23:07.330 --> 01:23:08.119
It's called

778
01:23:08.640 --> 01:23:09.260
Oh.

779
01:23:14.450 --> 01:23:15.469
access to the

780
01:23:19.520 --> 01:23:20.639
SBU CFNS: I

781
01:23:20.690 --> 01:23:22.269
SBU CFNS: I don't think

782
01:23:22.490 --> 01:23:32.270
SBU CFNS: we would need that beyond what's already there. I mean, if anything that can be access to the

783
01:23:35.110 --> 01:23:42.489
SBU CFNS: Okay, then. Then, yeah, I i'm not sure. We need remote access, and it's always a little scary to have.

784
01:23:42.780 --> 01:23:43.700
SBU CFNS: Yeah.

785
01:23:44.100 --> 01:23:48.439
But

786
01:24:04.100 --> 01:24:04.690
I

787
01:24:05.280 --> 01:24:06.170
Okay.

788
01:24:06.390 --> 01:24:07.700
yeah

789
01:24:09.210 --> 01:24:09.870
for us.

790
01:24:10.020 --> 01:24:10.650
I don't know.

791
01:24:36.890 --> 01:24:48.979
SBU CFNS: I don't. You might be okay if you don't have it anymore again. My.

792
01:24:49.010 --> 01:24:51.450
it should be

793
01:25:00.330 --> 01:25:07.919
SBU CFNS: awesome. So you

794
01:25:08.170 --> 01:25:12.180
SBU CFNS: So I think I think that'll be okay. And if there's any ways to access things with.

795
01:25:13.310 --> 01:25:17.579
SBU CFNS: okay, V: 3, the next one after that again easy.

796
01:25:18.550 --> 01:25:31.680
SBU CFNS: Actually, previously. Review: Address: share whatever Did you receive a letter from the director in support of your project after your successful day to not yet done? Been easy to get documents up to date. Yes, commissioning plan drafted.

797
01:25:31.690 --> 01:25:39.370
SBU CFNS: I think this is again not done, but pretty straightforward. and it's we'll need to see all that detail. We're just making something that we're going to do to finish the experiment.

798
01:25:39.980 --> 01:25:52.209
SBU CFNS: This is our tricky one, right drawings, diagrams, or schematics released by engineering and control office or whatever. This is. So this, I think, means we actually need to have finalized drawings, and what we're planning on building. This means experiment shielding.

799
01:25:52.510 --> 01:25:56.540
SBU CFNS: and we're going to integrate the same line, the whole deal. We actually need to

800
01:25:57.580 --> 01:26:05.680
SBU CFNS: everything else again. This is requirement specifications. At least one of them already is, we still need to call here one and probably a shielding one.

801
01:26:06.200 --> 01:26:07.609
SBU CFNS: But we're working on that

802
01:26:08.320 --> 01:26:11.590
SBU CFNS: schedule understood. Yes, Budget understood. Yes.

803
01:26:11.640 --> 01:26:16.809
SBU CFNS: this is only, I believe, for things being purchased through triumph or triumphs

804
01:26:16.960 --> 01:26:21.529
SBU CFNS: is how we're actually going to go for during them. And at the moment there's nothing big that's coming that way. So

805
01:26:21.760 --> 01:26:23.279
SBU CFNS: unless we make an account

806
01:26:23.470 --> 01:26:40.760
SBU CFNS: with you guys and 5 things through that, we're more or less good for now. and will any installation work happened during the shutdown. I think the answer to this is No, because I think that they're referred to as the annual plan shut down, which is about 3 months from January to March, and during which most of the

807
01:26:48.210 --> 01:26:57.179
SBU CFNS: So we're outside of that window, and I think we're more or less.

808
01:26:57.550 --> 01:27:13.720
SBU CFNS: okay, there's also some optional requirements which we might be asked to do. I'm guessing that we will. Which are one specification for our control system. So I would want to integrate with the like the

809
01:27:13.780 --> 01:27:16.109
SBU CFNS: things like our head. Right? We're we're adding

810
01:27:16.280 --> 01:27:31.959
SBU CFNS: so so we probably will use that. But I will probably put my on on ethics on that.

811
01:27:32.470 --> 01:27:51.610
SBU CFNS: and it's to be controllable by it needs to be controllable by it needs to be verifiable and controllable. I think, by the so that if anything goes wrong thinking we're going to so that should be

812
01:27:55.240 --> 01:28:03.049
SBU CFNS: especially. We're also acting now as if we're replacing the diagnostic box so that they want to use our

813
01:28:04.590 --> 01:28:14.110
SBU CFNS: I want to be that independent of what we're trying to do, and so they need to be able to control this, even if we like.

814
01:28:14.220 --> 01:28:27.190
SBU CFNS: without our intervention.

815
01:28:32.920 --> 01:28:39.810
SBU CFNS: Yeah, sure. Sure. Yes, I agree. But they they can't like Well, it's time for us to. We're doing something. They can't do it

816
01:28:40.050 --> 01:28:56.449
SBU CFNS: if we're doing something. Yeah. But like the thing is, they need to be able to do a scan if we're all so we need to. This is all that we're going to need to work out. And I think that's why

817
01:28:57.320 --> 01:29:05.130
SBU CFNS: we might want to switch up our systems.

818
01:29:05.140 --> 01:29:26.650
SBU CFNS: It's so related to the being, and if we move it while the main is on, we're going to fuck up on stuff, so we need them to be able to lock it out, and we need them to be able to move it. That's probably not even for us to

819
01:29:26.660 --> 01:29:33.990
SBU CFNS: Yeah, that away. Yeah, I think it. I think that it will, or you don't Mean while we're running, we have somebody

820
01:29:37.710 --> 01:29:38.919
SBU CFNS: you want to space again.

821
01:29:39.090 --> 01:29:43.159
SBU CFNS: This is the

822
01:29:44.210 --> 01:29:50.290
SBU CFNS: Okay.

823
01:29:50.520 --> 01:29:54.970
SBU CFNS: So. Yeah, I think we right we should have about it like this.

824
01:30:04.380 --> 01:30:05.059
How you

825
01:30:14.890 --> 01:30:20.329
SBU CFNS: I I would rather check with tomorrow for that with any great certainty it is quite.

826
01:30:22.050 --> 01:30:32.719
SBU CFNS: It's true, and we we're just sending it into the we're done with it. but yeah.

827
01:30:33.230 --> 01:30:38.709
SBU CFNS: it's still worth verifying. It's only for the

828
01:30:39.160 --> 01:30:40.090
even if we have.

829
01:30:41.300 --> 01:30:43.680
SBU CFNS: Yeah. So yeah, okay.

830
01:30:43.790 --> 01:30:52.950
SBU CFNS: we love a document. okay. And then you may or may not be asked for decommissioning. Then, given that we will potentially have some things that are

831
01:30:54.530 --> 01:30:55.559
at that point.

832
01:30:56.010 --> 01:31:04.989
SBU CFNS: So that's basically what the next 2,

833
01:31:05.790 --> 01:31:06.800
SBU CFNS: whether it

834
01:31:17.760 --> 01:31:18.540
SBU CFNS: Oh, okay.

835
01:31:18.620 --> 01:31:27.540
SBU CFNS: right.

836
01:31:27.980 --> 01:31:29.150
bye, bye, bye.

837
01:31:29.300 --> 01:31:35.120
SBU CFNS: it could be very.

838
01:31:41.540 --> 01:31:48.799
SBU CFNS: We might need to show that

839
01:31:49.530 --> 01:31:56.379
SBU CFNS: you might have to. You might have to.

840
01:31:58.590 --> 01:32:01.440
SBU CFNS: Yeah.

841
01:32:01.510 --> 01:32:05.290
SBU CFNS: you know.

842
01:32:05.410 --> 01:32:14.749
SBU CFNS: Well, I mean.

843
01:32:14.850 --> 01:32:19.130
SBU CFNS: okay.

844
01:32:22.080 --> 01:32:40.700
SBU CFNS: yeah, but

845
01:32:41.070 --> 01:32:58.940
SBU CFNS: yes, I believe that the I believe in a lot is where that that part of the current

846
01:33:01.830 --> 01:33:05.879
SBU CFNS: I mean the the

847
01:33:05.960 --> 01:33:08.809
so.

848
01:33:11.740 --> 01:33:12.340
By the way.

849
01:33:19.040 --> 01:33:25.849
SBU CFNS: I was going to say

850
01:33:26.850 --> 01:33:29.650
SBU CFNS: the fact that it is.

851
01:33:38.900 --> 01:33:40.599
SBU CFNS: I I agree

852
01:33:40.900 --> 01:33:42.040
SBU CFNS: now we need it here.

853
01:33:42.820 --> 01:33:44.890
SBU CFNS: but we'll have a

854
01:33:45.020 --> 01:33:47.079
SBU CFNS: on it and a turbo

855
01:33:53.940 --> 01:33:56.360
SBU CFNS: and it could be all the

856
01:34:12.660 --> 01:34:16.969
SBU CFNS: I I guess, in my head. I

857
01:34:28.520 --> 01:34:29.160
Yeah.

858
01:34:29.930 --> 01:34:33.849
SBU CFNS: And it's a small main line.

859
01:34:34.760 --> 01:34:36.980
Okay.

860
01:34:42.560 --> 01:34:43.440
generally from

861
01:34:44.030 --> 01:34:48.169
SBU CFNS: well, you you have to go in, and

862
01:34:50.010 --> 01:34:51.550
so hopefully, that will be

863
01:34:51.740 --> 01:34:52.450
Wow.

864
01:34:58.170 --> 01:34:59.070
SBU CFNS: All right.

865
01:34:59.110 --> 01:35:00.389
It takes half an hour.

866
01:35:13.040 --> 01:35:13.650
Right?

867
01:35:13.810 --> 01:35:24.289
SBU CFNS: Okay? Okay? yeah. So what I wanted to mention here is that experiments often do a 2 and 3 simultaneously because they're pretty similar.

868
01:35:24.300 --> 01:35:39.519
SBU CFNS: is basically just. Are you ready to buy your stuff right? And you you understand your design, and you're ready to build things. I think the big advantage of doing the 2 of them together is that there's one less meeting you have to coordinate or review panel for a setup and all of that stuff.

869
01:35:39.780 --> 01:35:52.860
SBU CFNS: but we could also do them separately If we see any advantage there, we just want to get them done. That's not a big deal. like, I said. We're ready for day 2. We could do it anytime. We're not ready for day 3. We need to help you in sharing drawings, finalized a firmware plan for control. And I think the shield that

870
01:35:53.620 --> 01:36:00.329
SBU CFNS: Yes, so yeah, small question should be waiting to both of them together. Once we find the design finalized or just so.

871
01:36:01.270 --> 01:36:05.840
SBU CFNS: I have no strong records but that I think a question for us about our review schedule.

872
01:36:06.070 --> 01:36:06.630
Yeah.

873
01:36:06.860 --> 01:36:08.809
SBU CFNS: like the whole

874
01:36:09.290 --> 01:36:10.429
SBU CFNS: Well, and

875
01:36:17.540 --> 01:36:32.969
SBU CFNS: so we can talk to them about whether

876
01:36:33.040 --> 01:36:37.319
SBU CFNS: but it'd be useful to just get it done, because I' for sure go ahead and do everything.

877
01:36:38.200 --> 01:36:41.659
SBU CFNS: so yeah, this is. This is what we should AIM for.

878
01:36:42.660 --> 01:36:50.280
SBU CFNS: Yeah. So other documentation and approvals outside of the gate reviews, as we discussed yesterday. We're going to need the shielding design and updated safety analysis report.

879
01:36:50.380 --> 01:36:55.960
SBU CFNS: And then, as soon as we can. After that we have to start on the updating the Cnc license, because this will take.

880
01:36:56.080 --> 01:36:57.489
SBU CFNS: We don't know how long

881
01:36:57.700 --> 01:37:09.299
SBU CFNS: other things we need to do or what we need is we need to make sure everyone in the lab who is going to have to help us is aware of it. Scheduled. I already talked about that, though. it's.

882
01:37:09.320 --> 01:37:12.100
SBU CFNS: This is maybe an advantages where, if you're not ready

883
01:37:12.130 --> 01:37:26.200
SBU CFNS: in early January to go ahead and get it, because it's an opportunity to again go back and really like Hello, yes, what do you think this is gonna happen? And just make sure they remember about us. but this is something we have to do. Yeah, we need to

884
01:37:26.620 --> 01:37:31.939
SBU CFNS: and ask Peter to intercede with us to keep us high in the priority ranking,

885
01:37:32.480 --> 01:37:34.870
SBU CFNS: And yeah, this this last point is clarified.

886
01:37:35.320 --> 01:37:38.119
SBU CFNS: He was actually installing stuff.

887
01:37:38.680 --> 01:37:39.819
SBU CFNS: What do you mean there?

888
01:37:40.410 --> 01:37:41.660
SBU CFNS: Absolutely

889
01:37:44.180 --> 01:37:57.570
SBU CFNS: exactly, which is a big part of it, too. We set up a bunch of it's not being the one that's going to let the grass see it's

890
01:37:58.220 --> 01:37:59.729
SBU CFNS: and try it

891
01:38:05.440 --> 01:38:12.469
SBU CFNS: exactly.

892
01:38:16.580 --> 01:38:20.629
SBU CFNS: Yeah, and that's the hard part that's really the

893
01:38:21.420 --> 01:38:26.129
SBU CFNS: and I understand it. Because again, at this

894
01:38:26.750 --> 01:38:43.229
SBU CFNS: exactly exactly, yeah, no, we do. We have to do what really dig out of that when it's not explaining. What was it being designed by rates to like? Do these guys know how to build things? Are you sure they don't

895
01:38:55.030 --> 01:38:57.379
SBU CFNS: It's very, very fun.

896
01:38:59.850 --> 01:39:09.099
SBU CFNS: because that was their so he was sitting there.

897
01:39:11.110 --> 01:39:16.360
SBU CFNS: Some, you know. I don't know some ability to to feel like there's

898
01:39:16.590 --> 01:39:19.370
common sense, and

899
01:39:19.560 --> 01:39:28.260
SBU CFNS: that's so hard, though common sense is always being regulated. That.

900
01:39:28.310 --> 01:39:31.320
SBU CFNS: yes.

901
01:39:31.580 --> 01:39:36.460
SBU CFNS: I don't know. At some point. Maybe the thing to do is to get somebody

902
01:39:37.510 --> 01:39:46.309
SBU CFNS: from, you know, trying to tech side and and whatever efficient we might. But

903
01:39:46.590 --> 01:39:57.730
SBU CFNS: I assume we're gonna send it to the base technician, I I that's my understanding. I thought we'd send an engineer as well.

904
01:39:58.080 --> 01:40:10.989
SBU CFNS: and figure out what pay for that to make that viable, and to make everyone make sense. I don't. I don't think it'll be impossible. and I think it' be really helpful. So we just need to to figure out how to make everyone be okay with this.

905
01:40:11.670 --> 01:40:15.680
SBU CFNS: because yeah, I need for us to send people up there in a minute

906
01:40:15.910 --> 01:40:19.159
SBU CFNS: like No, no, don't touch anything.

907
01:40:19.250 --> 01:40:21.270
I think that's just any waste of time. So

908
01:40:21.550 --> 01:40:22.200
SBU CFNS: yeah.

909
01:40:22.540 --> 01:40:38.340
SBU CFNS: okay. So this is just a zoom in on our schedule. But we already talked about that in Stephanie's talk. I just wanted to point out here that, like we're slipping a little triumph. We know we're responsible for the call, major design and shielding design to the things where we're starting to get into serious orange territory here.

910
01:40:38.350 --> 01:40:50.800
SBU CFNS: Obviously the bottleneck is person powering able to do those things to the collimator design. We need this. Our view is really familiar with the accelerator and the down on what the actual meetings are at this location, and there are like 2 of those people in the phone

911
01:40:51.200 --> 01:40:54.159
SBU CFNS: 99% occupied 100 projects. So

912
01:40:54.390 --> 01:41:08.379
SBU CFNS: we are working on this. The shielding design Obviously, the the issue, as we talked about yesterday is that we don't have to be the expert anymore, and we are going to try to patch in this for of the work to be doing this for us, but we'll see how that goes. then how many apologies will open for it?

913
01:41:08.990 --> 01:41:20.560
SBU CFNS: so. Yeah, we're aware that we're looking on this we're doing the best we can. since the design for the chamber and so forth, is under way, i'm not super concerned there. when it comes to stance we should

914
01:41:20.570 --> 01:41:35.050
SBU CFNS: bear in mind, I guess that if we're adding magnets that need support on the line, we need to find a way to support those as well, or figure out if triumph has extra stance for the existing funds that we can reuse. Or there there's these timeline stands that might work the way. This I don't know.

915
01:41:35.110 --> 01:41:40.510
SBU CFNS: but we should not forget about that. We're going to find ourselves short in some cases when we actually come to put things together.

916
01:41:41.340 --> 01:41:54.699
SBU CFNS: and yeah, obviously, we still need to finalize the angles to the Chamber. But given that that, I don't think it's going to take a lot to you guys to try to do it. Then it's less fast, and they're getting the

917
01:41:55.220 --> 01:41:59.700
SBU CFNS: yeah, and I wanted to check because I wasn't sure with putting these together on Friday

918
01:41:59.820 --> 01:42:12.120
SBU CFNS: when we talked about it yesterday. whether there are other bottlenecks for finalizing the magnetic design other than just becoming confident that we're. But I think we talked about this. So

919
01:42:12.470 --> 01:42:19.760
SBU CFNS: yeah, so this is just my rough guest for the order things my pan out, and then for upcoming reviews and large timeline items.

920
01:42:19.810 --> 01:42:22.120
SBU CFNS: My guess is

921
01:42:22.380 --> 01:42:23.440
SBU CFNS: that

922
01:42:23.480 --> 01:42:25.690
SBU CFNS: we want to order the maintenance right away.

923
01:42:25.810 --> 01:42:26.380
Yes.

924
01:42:26.850 --> 01:42:29.500
SBU CFNS: we should probably do that.

925
01:42:30.270 --> 01:42:40.439
SBU CFNS: And we need to complete the cultivator requirements to start serious design on that. I mean, I really would like to have that happening by Christmas, but I need to talk to people until that. When I get back and see where we're at checking in every week.

926
01:42:40.900 --> 01:42:44.689
SBU CFNS: we're not right there. Yeah. Speak to Don't know where that fits in here, but

927
01:42:44.740 --> 01:42:47.790
SBU CFNS: if you want to do it separately, we should do it in January.

928
01:42:48.360 --> 01:42:54.759
SBU CFNS: I can see the shielding design. Finalized experiment design, start on the license update as soon as we can. One day 3

929
01:42:55.040 --> 01:42:59.790
SBU CFNS: it's in there somewhere where we're ready. And then yeah, just go ahead

930
01:42:59.810 --> 01:43:04.179
SBU CFNS: right before we are ready to begin installation, or we about things sort of

931
01:43:04.500 --> 01:43:08.639
SBU CFNS: purchased and so on. That

932
01:43:09.330 --> 01:43:10.829
Okay. So let me start.

933
01:43:11.170 --> 01:43:15.270
SBU CFNS: So it's a very short checklist in this.

934
01:43:19.910 --> 01:43:26.749
SBU CFNS: Hopefully, this all works out. I'm. I'm sure these are malleable, and we'll move around to something. But that's why

935
01:43:29.510 --> 01:43:31.050
SBU CFNS: I think that's it.

936
01:43:31.530 --> 01:43:32.190
Okay.

937
01:43:32.620 --> 01:43:34.059
Okay, okay.

938
01:43:34.280 --> 01:43:35.139
SBU CFNS: right

939
01:43:40.810 --> 01:43:42.260
as a

940
01:43:43.690 --> 01:43:49.329
SBU CFNS: there's someone.

941
01:43:52.700 --> 01:43:54.309
It's it's

942
01:43:55.920 --> 01:44:00.419
SBU CFNS: without any any idea of what is in there.

943
01:44:00.830 --> 01:44:06.780
SBU CFNS: I i'm just thinking about that outline here are the things we're not

944
01:44:12.320 --> 01:44:20.190
SBU CFNS: Well, I mean.

945
01:44:20.300 --> 01:44:27.459
SBU CFNS: so yeah, I I can take 7. It's not obviously going to be a

946
01:44:30.440 --> 01:44:32.099
SBU CFNS: This is

947
01:44:32.450 --> 01:44:44.510
SBU CFNS: so if you so you can write. Oh, yeah.

948
01:44:44.640 --> 01:44:45.760
SBU CFNS: What's that? So?

949
01:44:47.890 --> 01:44:56.999
SBU CFNS: Is that something where I can?

950
01:45:02.360 --> 01:45:05.679
SBU CFNS: I think we can put the rest? You're the base

951
01:45:05.860 --> 01:45:11.410
SBU CFNS: that we need to.

952
01:45:12.000 --> 01:45:15.250
SBU CFNS: I I I

953
01:45:19.310 --> 01:45:21.450
SBU CFNS: We don't know

954
01:45:21.590 --> 01:45:30.340
SBU CFNS: many of these things.

955
01:45:30.420 --> 01:45:43.409
SBU CFNS: We're right now in 5 min. We're basically so I guess we can call it on that. do you want to move on to the funding?

956
01:45:44.820 --> 01:45:46.229
SBU CFNS: yeah, I don't know

957
01:45:47.100 --> 01:45:52.090
SBU CFNS: what's there's nothing so much to say on funding Mit has it Sunday.

958
01:45:52.130 --> 01:45:55.879
SBU CFNS: so we're all good to go, so we

959
01:45:56.160 --> 01:46:05.219
SBU CFNS: we can order the magnets, and you know to the work that's a to all the things that Mit is responsible for.

960
01:46:05.480 --> 01:46:11.669
SBU CFNS: Now, as I understand it, the funding from Spu and H. You

961
01:46:12.030 --> 01:46:17.090
SBU CFNS: is not something you have to apply for all this, so I I

962
01:46:21.180 --> 01:46:23.769
SBU CFNS: the

963
01:46:23.980 --> 01:46:28.649
SBU CFNS: I. I know that some already in the so i'm not

964
01:46:29.240 --> 01:46:33.949
SBU CFNS: I put it in to me. So I spoke this bush on

965
01:46:34.520 --> 01:46:36.970
SBU CFNS: it didn't say no

966
01:46:37.510 --> 01:46:42.499
SBU CFNS: so we buy 5 the money especially because it's very limited.

967
01:46:50.100 --> 01:46:59.380
SBU CFNS: they didn't come back to me in time, so after that they told me. Oh, yeah, by the day you have

968
01:46:59.600 --> 01:47:06.010
SBU CFNS: which

969
01:47:06.620 --> 01:47:09.659
SBU CFNS: so

970
01:47:25.820 --> 01:47:27.160
SBU CFNS: and and

971
01:47:34.460 --> 01:47:35.040
okay.

972
01:47:35.090 --> 01:47:35.870
So

973
01:47:35.980 --> 01:47:44.689
SBU CFNS: because he's supported us.

974
01:47:45.090 --> 01:47:50.189
SBU CFNS: So so I would say, i'm gonna get a 4 out of view of it when I did. But the

975
01:47:50.550 --> 01:47:56.509
SBU CFNS: it was clearly not the law, and I have the question that we find if she buys the money.

976
01:47:56.890 --> 01:48:03.099
SBU CFNS: but it's a little bit more on. I mean, of course, if the if the we do so completely crazy

977
01:48:05.780 --> 01:48:12.320
SBU CFNS: that the problem with us is, we have a lot of other projects, one of you know,

978
01:48:12.610 --> 01:48:15.130
which.

979
01:48:15.170 --> 01:48:22.470
SBU CFNS: and then you can fix it. I mean the the Nsf. Will be from excellence to the average.

980
01:48:22.700 --> 01:48:33.689
SBU CFNS: I call from maximum and and all over the some. Some said, oh, the experiment is great. Some said, it's 6 to make sense

981
01:48:33.710 --> 01:48:34.830
SBU CFNS: it it

982
01:48:35.360 --> 01:48:38.530
SBU CFNS: it's it's a country.

983
01:48:40.030 --> 01:48:42.010
SBU CFNS: that's what it is.

984
01:48:42.350 --> 01:48:43.290
SBU CFNS: When

985
01:48:45.770 --> 01:48:52.210
SBU CFNS: so.

986
01:48:52.270 --> 01:48:54.529
SBU CFNS: what are they? Generally right?

987
01:48:55.410 --> 01:48:59.389
SBU CFNS: the

988
01:48:59.930 --> 01:49:06.870
SBU CFNS: yeah.

989
01:49:07.000 --> 01:49:09.849
SBU CFNS: the

990
01:49:09.960 --> 01:49:17.469
SBU CFNS: and

991
01:49:18.460 --> 01:49:19.030
bye.

992
01:49:21.720 --> 01:49:22.910
SBU CFNS: from

993
01:49:27.470 --> 01:49:30.060
SBU CFNS: I had. So so I can. Actually.

994
01:49:30.390 --> 01:49:33.780
SBU CFNS: It's actually it's supposed to be.

995
01:49:33.930 --> 01:49:48.960
SBU CFNS: and one of the

996
01:49:49.830 --> 01:50:04.839
SBU CFNS: but it sounded like he wanted to renew it. So he was me. And then, because he said me, not that he said, oh, yeah, by the way, I saw you to use 10 pages. Be careful, then. You have to a the limit, the smallest. Make sure that you put everything right there.

997
01:50:04.980 --> 01:50:12.129
SBU CFNS: and and so it's. So he was.

998
01:50:12.920 --> 01:50:14.070
SBU CFNS: So maybe

999
01:50:14.310 --> 01:50:20.339
SBU CFNS: I I think, for for that the amount of money I'm impressing is so small

1000
01:50:21.310 --> 01:50:25.389
SBU CFNS: I mean it's it's 500 K.

1001
01:50:33.280 --> 01:50:34.200
We'll see

1002
01:50:35.170 --> 01:50:41.110
SBU CFNS: if I don't get the money I have to see, I mean, I think programs I can do it. But

1003
01:50:45.030 --> 01:50:47.079
SBU CFNS: what are you conf by?

1004
01:50:53.770 --> 01:50:54.670
Yeah.

1005
01:50:57.870 --> 01:51:10.339
SBU CFNS: So for here we I had a lot of conversation in in September, Prior to me, starting my

1006
01:51:10.420 --> 01:51:12.090
it only 14,000.

1007
01:51:18.310 --> 01:51:23.549
SBU CFNS: I had that in my extension until a few weeks ago. and I must submit it.

1008
01:51:23.930 --> 01:51:26.719
SBU CFNS: And I mean, basically

1009
01:51:42.640 --> 01:51:43.790
SBU CFNS: we also

1010
01:51:43.860 --> 01:51:44.599
no

1011
01:51:48.350 --> 01:51:51.339
SBU CFNS: what position or anything like that we said, Well.

1012
01:51:51.520 --> 01:51:56.779
SBU CFNS: Well, I should

1013
01:51:56.860 --> 01:52:00.129
SBU CFNS: at that time. I

1014
01:52:04.540 --> 01:52:06.680
SBU CFNS: I should also say that question.

1015
01:52:10.490 --> 01:52:14.699
SBU CFNS: and it looks like they they're really

1016
01:52:26.470 --> 01:52:28.340
SBU CFNS: I might be pushing.

1017
01:52:37.270 --> 01:52:46.850
SBU CFNS: Yeah, I I mean, I will try that console. So I I've had this.

1018
01:52:58.440 --> 01:52:59.490
So I mean

1019
01:53:03.090 --> 01:53:03.780
fine.

1020
01:53:23.810 --> 01:53:24.690
And the

1021
01:53:24.760 --> 01:53:29.200
SBU CFNS: he said that if it was

1022
01:53:33.820 --> 01:53:36.390
SBU CFNS: or even the my on a major.

1023
01:53:45.630 --> 01:53:55.259
SBU CFNS: Yeah, I play

1024
01:54:12.460 --> 01:54:13.500
the city

1025
01:54:16.010 --> 01:54:18.189
and reach

1026
01:54:24.190 --> 01:54:24.809
Okay.

1027
01:54:26.600 --> 01:54:37.969
SBU CFNS: So it's kind of it's also

1028
01:54:38.210 --> 01:54:53.209
SBU CFNS: project funding.

1029
01:54:53.220 --> 01:55:10.370
SBU CFNS: We should be okay for another 2 and a half years that that but of course that doesn't answer the

1030
01:55:10.550 --> 01:55:16.480
SBU CFNS: and we don't know exactly when we're going to come back, and then we've heard it in July.

1031
01:55:16.720 --> 01:55:20.199
SBU CFNS: they usually they

1032
01:55:21.290 --> 01:55:30.320
SBU CFNS: right

1033
01:55:31.340 --> 01:55:38.460
SBU CFNS: at some point of my hand. the good news! Well, the way that the

1034
01:55:38.810 --> 01:55:47.840
SBU CFNS: it is very, very hard to get

1035
01:56:03.460 --> 01:56:14.760
SBU CFNS: so that means we need to show them

1036
01:56:15.330 --> 01:56:34.190
SBU CFNS: we upgrade that said triumph does not have a lot of money, but we also don't have.

1037
01:56:34.200 --> 01:56:37.909
This seems to be a fairly

1038
01:56:38.120 --> 01:56:43.169
SBU CFNS: we should be able to.

1039
01:56:43.380 --> 01:56:51.689
SBU CFNS: but my expectation is that it will be pretty confident to see if I will a little bit of money if they say it's a little bit of mine.

1040
01:56:51.800 --> 01:56:53.040
SBU CFNS: so that'd be

1041
01:56:53.780 --> 01:56:57.960
SBU CFNS: your goal there. That's it, because we're actually already starting with the

1042
01:56:58.270 --> 01:57:14.170
SBU CFNS: you can.

1043
01:57:14.310 --> 01:57:32.989
SBU CFNS: and we should.

1044
01:57:33.280 --> 01:57:40.600
SBU CFNS: but that's that's a situation. we're waiting for July. We'll see what happens. I am honestly on them.

1045
01:57:40.650 --> 01:57:44.849
and we should be able to

1046
01:57:48.780 --> 01:57:50.319
what I should imagine.

1047
01:57:53.870 --> 01:57:59.130
SBU CFNS: so.

1048
01:58:01.180 --> 01:58:04.890
SBU CFNS: so yeah. So one of the

1049
01:58:08.370 --> 01:58:14.879
SBU CFNS: my application I procedure is, if I stay at the lab that one of the things that I need to

1050
01:58:14.990 --> 01:58:19.039
SBU CFNS: is to have some kind of my own personal.

1051
01:58:19.130 --> 01:58:24.540
SBU CFNS: So one of the things that

1052
01:58:24.880 --> 01:58:27.099
SBU CFNS: so they are.

1053
01:58:27.540 --> 01:58:31.580
SBU CFNS: Well, there are several ways. I can do this, but they are really realistic ways.

1054
01:58:31.660 --> 01:58:35.179
SBU CFNS: So one is to

1055
01:58:35.360 --> 01:58:39.139
that's the so called

1056
01:58:45.340 --> 01:58:48.900
SBU CFNS: I'll excited that everyone needs to.

1057
01:58:49.790 --> 01:58:53.059
SBU CFNS: so in that

1058
01:58:53.160 --> 01:58:57.270
SBU CFNS: at least 25 years of funding, and

1059
01:58:57.360 --> 01:59:02.140
SBU CFNS: I can make this, I can almost divide my time

1060
01:59:02.200 --> 01:59:05.779
SBU CFNS: saved, optimize, and whatever else that would happen.

1061
01:59:06.480 --> 01:59:12.670
SBU CFNS: So so in that case that would be the one thing to do the other thing is.

1062
01:59:21.730 --> 01:59:27.299
SBU CFNS: so to that end, then I

1063
01:59:27.770 --> 01:59:30.779
SBU CFNS: So the

1064
01:59:31.430 --> 01:59:33.300
SBU CFNS: applications

1065
01:59:34.030 --> 01:59:42.330
SBU CFNS: the submission

1066
01:59:42.550 --> 01:59:49.149
SBU CFNS: one

1067
01:59:49.230 --> 01:59:55.630
SBU CFNS: you. Yay, so yeah, so in that sense.

1068
01:59:56.010 --> 02:00:01.339
SBU CFNS: I mean, I I spoke to some of my

1069
02:00:01.500 --> 02:00:14.489
SBU CFNS: tell me about, you know this is, what I want to do, and all these things so at least for us personally, what time of stands apart from what everyone else is in, the that is

1070
02:00:14.740 --> 02:00:18.259
SBU CFNS: We're allowed to meet any kind of

1071
02:00:18.430 --> 02:00:24.460
SBU CFNS: so.

1072
02:00:28.440 --> 02:00:33.030
SBU CFNS: There are a lot of puzzles that we can. So

1073
02:00:33.410 --> 02:00:34.920
SBU CFNS: so

1074
02:00:34.990 --> 02:00:39.000
SBU CFNS: yeah. So I am going to definitely

1075
02:00:39.500 --> 02:00:41.269
everyone.

1076
02:00:48.720 --> 02:00:50.790
okay.

1077
02:01:09.600 --> 02:01:10.340
themselves.

1078
02:01:20.660 --> 02:01:26.790
SBU CFNS: Yeah. So I in my

1079
02:01:44.940 --> 02:01:45.730
alright.

1080
02:01:52.870 --> 02:01:53.429
okay.

1081
02:01:59.420 --> 02:02:00.059
got it.

1082
02:02:00.400 --> 02:02:01.070
Got it.

1083
02:02:03.750 --> 02:02:12.070
SBU CFNS: We saw

1084
02:02:13.010 --> 02:02:19.019
SBU CFNS: surely that

1085
02:02:32.350 --> 02:02:42.010
SBU CFNS: alright.

1086
02:02:47.060 --> 02:03:01.890
SBU CFNS: I almost certainly don't. So that's that's very.

1087
02:03:02.810 --> 02:03:11.910
SBU CFNS: You can't leave it in the phone

1088
02:03:14.410 --> 02:03:15.070
that. We

1089
02:03:16.020 --> 02:03:16.940
Yeah.

1090
02:03:17.720 --> 02:03:21.269
SBU CFNS: i'll just get my

1091
02:03:27.200 --> 02:03:30.590
SBU CFNS: No.

1092
02:03:35.920 --> 02:03:39.529
SBU CFNS: yeah.

1093
02:03:39.840 --> 02:03:40.590
fair enough.

1094
02:03:40.950 --> 02:03:42.160
Yeah.

1095
02:03:50.440 --> 02:03:54.370
SBU CFNS: I am involved in

1096
02:03:54.470 --> 02:03:58.269
SBU CFNS: It's actually up with the experts.

1097
02:03:59.170 --> 02:04:06.559
SBU CFNS: so

1098
02:04:07.160 --> 02:04:26.470
SBU CFNS: I can repeat this thing. I've never touched it, but I don't understand it. That's actually not so much of what we did not not really well. So I was originally asked to make this talk, and then it was there some discussion about the analysis flow

1099
02:04:26.480 --> 02:04:45.630
SBU CFNS: and then there's some discussion about how poker works and all of that. And Originally I thought it was gonna be doing this talk kind of during the day yesterday, so I didn't want to go to technical so I think you the end that time you're saying nothing. but it it some somewhat interesting. and I've been really

1100
02:04:45.730 --> 02:05:00.939
SBU CFNS: couple of work. Other things like the entire. That kind of made this talk last minute. and in conjunction with the joy. So we see anything that's long and rambling. You can't really make sense that's mine, that anything that's well written and concise and and and and useful is from

1101
02:05:00.960 --> 02:05:01.800
that for sure.

1102
02:05:04.080 --> 02:05:11.300
SBU CFNS: Okay. So great. That's a tiny figure that no one can read, and it's in so this is clearly for me.

1103
02:05:11.350 --> 02:05:27.299
SBU CFNS: This is the little bit industry, the poker. This is a an outstring word refer Link this by yawn. and then it was ported to the user experiment by on. And if this is a bigger figure, not dark code. you can see this is a a commit history on. Get about

1104
02:05:27.310 --> 02:05:45.709
SBU CFNS: from the Muse experiments, and you can see some small fraction convinced back here 2,012. That was Olympus. and then kind of nothing in the meantime. And so it was brought in some muse to see not quite exponential growth commits on them. So this year surely was using it for a trek.

1105
02:05:45.720 --> 02:05:53.450
SBU CFNS: But I don't have access to any of that code ready to make the streets or can't say anything about it other than track always sound like a

1106
02:05:53.500 --> 02:05:54.099
Okay.

1107
02:05:55.450 --> 02:05:58.219
SBU CFNS: Yeah.

1108
02:05:59.010 --> 02:06:14.659
SBU CFNS: okay, again, small figures. Many members of darkly have experience with poker. This is just a a a list of who has the most commits and use experiment, because all I just talk about views all the time. so there's me

1109
02:06:14.670 --> 02:06:32.920
SBU CFNS: there's Michael here's the on there's Doug. so even you have some bits back in back in 2,011. I was a mistake. Yeah. So so

1110
02:06:32.930 --> 02:06:51.239
SBU CFNS: so I I don't actually know how we get out this particular it's supposed to be number of myths, but also it's, I mean like it lists those 73 commits to where they' and I know the way it is done more than that.

1111
02:06:51.250 --> 02:06:58.089
SBU CFNS: So it's counting something here here. but

1112
02:07:01.590 --> 02:07:14.860
SBU CFNS: well, this is number. This is number. It's it. They didn't click on the admin history. But okay, whatever the point being that this is, some subset might be students that have experience with the time, and it'll help out with

1113
02:07:15.340 --> 02:07:30.450
SBU CFNS: I really wish this is a bigger screen, so that you can actually see what i'm talking about. I actually have given very few talks here, so I should have known better. But

1114
02:07:30.500 --> 02:07:33.250
if you set the slides to that.

1115
02:07:33.600 --> 02:07:38.800
SBU CFNS: Yeah, yeah. Well, I'm.

1116
02:07:39.170 --> 02:07:50.490
SBU CFNS: Yeah. I was hoping that it was gonna give me an actual time spot on here, so I could upload them so we could all look but it under any other business.

1117
02:07:50.530 --> 02:07:59.780
SBU CFNS: Yeah. Well, I just meant for

1118
02:08:00.190 --> 02:08:17.870
SBU CFNS: so some of the the keywords for for the i'm sorry for coker to keep in mind is that it's a really modulus plugin based design. and so a lot of the analysis to kind of kind of be kept siloed off from other components of the analysis.

1119
02:08:17.890 --> 02:08:20.169
SBU CFNS: and it's all

1120
02:08:20.280 --> 02:08:34.960
SBU CFNS: or c. They can make, and you know, c. Whatever your filer is. i'm showing here a screenshot from Ccmate which i'd love infinitely more than actually because it will list all the compilation options.

1121
02:08:34.970 --> 02:08:41.710
SBU CFNS: and and if you had a microscope you could see down here there are a few boolean that we have specifically in use.

1122
02:08:41.720 --> 02:08:56.080
SBU CFNS: Where you can turn on computation of the cooker, you can turn it on compilation of our Monte Carlo simulation and even within the board, or specifically, you can turn on a compilation of our tracking. Software.

1123
02:08:56.430 --> 02:09:03.999
SBU CFNS: We introduced a few additional dependencies for our tracking software. So the idea is, if you're not doing tracking, and you don't want those dependencies, don't

1124
02:09:04.040 --> 02:09:10.349
SBU CFNS: but it's there If you want to look at it, and if you want, with all those dependencies, you can, and then you don't see it. You can turn it on, and it's there.

1125
02:09:10.610 --> 02:09:13.400
SBU CFNS: and generally I would like to about every software

1126
02:09:14.070 --> 02:09:15.680
if it's much better than that.

1127
02:09:24.220 --> 02:09:31.740
SBU CFNS: but we have the option that there is something.

1128
02:09:33.530 --> 02:09:46.869
SBU CFNS: but this this kind of leads in toward the the core idea of the talk that it's kind of most relevant to that. you can put your entire Monte Carlo into the broker as a plugin.

1129
02:09:47.540 --> 02:09:58.190
SBU CFNS: So by your okay, you're refined to check your simulation for the generation.

1130
02:09:58.600 --> 02:10:00.389
SBU CFNS: And

1131
02:10:01.250 --> 02:10:19.230
SBU CFNS: so this is kind of the the the meat of what we discussed is why we do not want that in considering the fact that the majority of analyzers are sitting in this room right now. and we all in the end need to know everything.

1132
02:10:19.580 --> 02:10:39.050
SBU CFNS: there's there's gonna be very few people who are gonna join the experiments and become an absolute expert on just the tracking, for example, directly, and you know nothing about the event. Generator. and and if we good, we have the ability to make to turn this on and off, anyway. So if they don't want to resolve the dependence.

1133
02:10:40.280 --> 02:10:43.869
so I have no issue whatsoever with something that installs everything.

1134
02:10:43.970 --> 02:11:03.530
I just didn't like the idea of a single giant.

1135
02:11:05.110 --> 02:11:07.970
They're not like in practice, and

1136
02:11:08.350 --> 02:11:23.750
they're not actually running the the in that generation. Right now, Julia.

1137
02:11:23.990 --> 02:11:26.039
I would rather.

1138
02:11:26.130 --> 02:11:27.000
And

1139
02:11:27.160 --> 02:11:42.230
so just by.

1140
02:11:42.290 --> 02:11:48.039
SBU CFNS: I would rather have, which is maybe actually because of not.

1141
02:12:00.410 --> 02:12:05.489
SBU CFNS: Yes, and it's just a mess, if that

1142
02:12:05.790 --> 02:12:10.580
SBU CFNS: and and

1143
02:12:12.440 --> 02:12:16.040
SBU CFNS: yeah.

1144
02:12:16.320 --> 02:12:21.350
SBU CFNS: a model

1145
02:12:25.340 --> 02:12:35.580
SBU CFNS: lang.

1146
02:12:35.630 --> 02:12:37.860
SBU CFNS: The simulation was full plugin.

1147
02:12:38.070 --> 02:12:45.450
SBU CFNS: and we would rather

1148
02:12:45.500 --> 02:12:46.919
SBU CFNS: this was everybody.

1149
02:13:01.930 --> 02:13:07.960
SBU CFNS: the the the aid there was that you can essentially take the data fire

1150
02:13:08.380 --> 02:13:12.919
SBU CFNS: and say, Make the

1151
02:13:12.980 --> 02:13:18.610
SBU CFNS: my statistics to get that, and then we'll follow the

1152
02:13:18.690 --> 02:13:22.130
SBU CFNS: from the

1153
02:13:25.150 --> 02:13:28.800
SBU CFNS: So the

1154
02:13:29.010 --> 02:13:30.779
Okay.

1155
02:13:31.000 --> 02:13:37.049
SBU CFNS: so I I think we we could possibly but as a separate

1156
02:13:38.960 --> 02:13:56.409
SBU CFNS: and and because negative that you could.

1157
02:14:00.700 --> 02:14:13.469
SBU CFNS: So it really needs to be under

1158
02:14:13.820 --> 02:14:21.130
SBU CFNS: and and another point that's that we're making is Students often find their

1159
02:14:21.150 --> 02:14:34.790
SBU CFNS: they they absolutely should learn to get, I think, jam for is probably worthwhile if they're going to continue on that email. But, hey.

1160
02:14:34.800 --> 02:14:46.589
SBU CFNS: you know, you want the pain of going through learning and get on one. You go rather than Here's a 1 million different repos, and there's some discussion of it's some odd. It was at 1 point, and that's all. Separate list of commands and get, and

1161
02:14:46.790 --> 02:14:54.630
SBU CFNS: that's that's my that's my recommendation for how to combine the packages. But it's going to be that populator. So i'm i'm. Really

1162
02:14:55.020 --> 02:15:00.300
SBU CFNS: it it's a way of importing another.

1163
02:15:29.540 --> 02:15:40.299
SBU CFNS: That was that was the issue, is, is it? It's more expert, oriented? And and I don't know that we really need

1164
02:15:40.440 --> 02:15:47.650
SBU CFNS: frozen versions of the J. Out or simulation that are only accessible to some of the analyzers.

1165
02:15:48.830 --> 02:16:06.229
SBU CFNS: but I mean, this is all people get full request setting right. So if someone submits a full request for an update to, or you set it up so that there are a variety of online tests and that it's stable and isn't at least gonna crash.

1166
02:16:07.590 --> 02:16:08.910
SBU CFNS: Yeah.

1167
02:16:09.900 --> 02:16:19.550
SBU CFNS: Yeah. So it's it's there a little bit. But the it gets some module something to me to just be an extra level of difficulty in terms of learning and get. And I,

1168
02:16:20.030 --> 02:16:35.940
SBU CFNS: you know, having having to.

1169
02:16:36.590 --> 02:16:52.239
SBU CFNS: Yeah, well from now, anyway, just because the students are still facing various. So I kind of don't want to miss out so in that sense the people using some of the

1170
02:16:52.500 --> 02:16:54.709
it wasn't like all the power right now, please.

1171
02:16:55.120 --> 02:16:58.930
SBU CFNS: what every that we post updates, and all I have to do is just

1172
02:17:05.690 --> 02:17:17.809
SBU CFNS: well, for now it's that from my actual perspective we have a lot of the practicality, basically you know.

1173
02:17:18.059 --> 02:17:25.309
SBU CFNS: and

1174
02:17:25.440 --> 02:17:26.530
SBU CFNS: whatever.

1175
02:17:27.180 --> 02:17:37.370
SBU CFNS: But since people are still kind of working on this, once we have it was I stable and spending

1176
02:17:37.809 --> 02:17:44.410
SBU CFNS: the story could push 10 min to something while working on.

1177
02:17:44.580 --> 02:18:03.149
SBU CFNS: But if you have your

1178
02:18:03.840 --> 02:18:09.370
SBU CFNS: yeah.

1179
02:18:09.770 --> 02:18:11.730
SBU CFNS: I don't need it.

1180
02:18:12.020 --> 02:18:28.379
SBU CFNS: I I think this is assuming that the experiments a lot more complicated than it's going to be in terms of it is is story writing. You know, one generator or some. You can see the specific physics process or someone else is working at that.

1181
02:18:42.660 --> 02:18:58.830
SBU CFNS: That is my idea.

1182
02:19:11.500 --> 02:19:12.440
SBU CFNS: Oh, you need

1183
02:19:21.340 --> 02:19:27.030
SBU CFNS: Yeah, because here, with the

1184
02:19:32.379 --> 02:19:35.770
SBU CFNS: if Somebody wants to do this.

1185
02:19:36.120 --> 02:19:38.149
SBU CFNS: then all the support somebody.

1186
02:19:57.880 --> 02:20:07.240
SBU CFNS: They're they're they're not They're not. They're they're they're not. They're They're not. They're they're they're they're they're they're on age 2.

1187
02:20:07.410 --> 02:20:16.499
SBU CFNS: It is right there.

1188
02:20:16.730 --> 02:20:18.530
SBU CFNS: and that's like the standard.

1189
02:20:18.970 --> 02:20:26.900
SBU CFNS: It's it's it's it's it's a it's a it's a it's a it's a it's a. It's like a month, and one

1190
02:20:27.030 --> 02:20:28.170
SBU CFNS: it is.

1191
02:20:28.310 --> 02:20:42.349
SBU CFNS: We can just do that. It's be fine, but we can't do it until this is great, because I have no cost in the next term. So yeah, the the final say good on on on one of my slides is i'm not making any changes. And so we all read that

1192
02:20:42.360 --> 02:20:58.870
SBU CFNS: you know what our

1193
02:20:58.880 --> 02:21:02.370
but I I don't think I should just wait until the

1194
02:21:02.510 --> 02:21:10.960
SBU CFNS: Oh yeah, because I still really like them to something, and they find that all of these,

1195
02:21:11.200 --> 02:21:15.980
SBU CFNS: whatever else.

1196
02:21:16.080 --> 02:21:20.310
SBU CFNS: and that call code is not going to. So if you decide that

1197
02:21:20.360 --> 02:21:24.050
SBU CFNS: we want to make this

1198
02:21:24.730 --> 02:21:25.390
obviously.

1199
02:21:26.330 --> 02:21:35.069
SBU CFNS: So. What i'm doing is I already have.

1200
02:21:35.560 --> 02:21:38.830
SBU CFNS: Yeah, and whatever it is for you

1201
02:21:39.180 --> 02:21:41.780
SBU CFNS: I have.

1202
02:21:47.780 --> 02:21:50.999
SBU CFNS: So once we decide that we don't want that

1203
02:21:56.690 --> 02:22:02.060
SBU CFNS: I can do that. Okay, by then I also

1204
02:22:02.710 --> 02:22:03.280
right

1205
02:22:12.900 --> 02:22:23.409
right now.

1206
02:22:25.010 --> 02:22:26.020
SBU CFNS: Yeah.

1207
02:22:26.750 --> 02:22:31.650
SBU CFNS: as soon as we have

1208
02:22:41.720 --> 02:22:51.220
SBU CFNS: I I I will. I mean, I will tell you the between one of these, which is not, for you know, and it has to reduct it on both sides.

1209
02:22:51.430 --> 02:22:54.940
SBU CFNS: We would have to save releases between different vehicles.

1210
02:22:55.590 --> 02:22:58.450
SBU CFNS: Because right? Because then only

1211
02:23:04.050 --> 02:23:04.730
okay.

1212
02:23:04.940 --> 02:23:19.939
SBU CFNS: I sure Quick, you You got most of that right? It's all you did one repo, and that's that's the point. That's the point that I make it right, which is once we decide that the

1213
02:23:20.160 --> 02:23:24.220
SBU CFNS: yeah, for example, let's just.

1214
02:23:24.360 --> 02:23:30.609
SBU CFNS: let's see the right

1215
02:23:31.230 --> 02:23:37.320
SBU CFNS: is what I mean. So there is No, you don't have to worry about whatever interface and

1216
02:23:42.400 --> 02:23:55.950
SBU CFNS: it's it's it's it's, it's it's. It's it's it's I agree on that. I think we don't have to take it one people right now. I think we certainly should pay until everyone.

1217
02:23:56.040 --> 02:24:03.989
SBU CFNS: and that we should choose it, and to to whatever we need on like going on. And

1218
02:24:08.080 --> 02:24:10.780
SBU CFNS: yeah, but I I don't want to build.

1219
02:24:12.960 --> 02:24:20.229
SBU CFNS: I just

1220
02:24:26.060 --> 02:24:26.630
okay.

1221
02:24:27.650 --> 02:24:32.599
SBU CFNS: I can see so many people mess up with single

1222
02:24:34.130 --> 02:24:37.030
SBU CFNS: Okay, then, having more than 2 months.

1223
02:24:44.300 --> 02:24:54.449
SBU CFNS: Yes.

1224
02:24:54.750 --> 02:24:58.250
that's remarkable.

1225
02:24:58.660 --> 02:25:00.939
SBU CFNS: I just. I don't know how they did it.

1226
02:25:18.090 --> 02:25:31.359
SBU CFNS: and it I could see the argument. If these were bigger projects, right? It's such a small collaboration. And

1227
02:25:31.370 --> 02:25:39.369
SBU CFNS: I I do understand.

1228
02:25:42.970 --> 02:25:51.640
SBU CFNS: Yeah, yeah, sure. But it and that I I I hope it does, I mean I can say but as I

1229
02:25:51.680 --> 02:25:56.280
SBU CFNS: but we we we can the simulation, and it does a separate for a very long time.

1230
02:25:56.520 --> 02:25:58.709
This wasn't

1231
02:26:01.980 --> 02:26:06.630
SBU CFNS: I don't know anything about that.

1232
02:26:16.530 --> 02:26:29.209
SBU CFNS: I'm saying, oh, let's go. What this other program does it's not lower.

1233
02:26:29.230 --> 02:26:30.380
SBU CFNS: I You have a question.

1234
02:26:32.530 --> 02:26:34.199
SBU CFNS: You your

1235
02:26:34.700 --> 02:26:36.150
one of your

1236
02:26:41.360 --> 02:26:42.059
but I know

1237
02:26:54.960 --> 02:26:57.069
SBU CFNS: you have to keep that it soon

1238
02:26:57.100 --> 02:27:01.150
SBU CFNS: in the sense that okay, I change the interface. Now, I don't have to touch

1239
02:27:01.220 --> 02:27:04.779
SBU CFNS: both. It's both.

1240
02:27:04.800 --> 02:27:07.690
SBU CFNS: Another question is, Where does that head that file?

1241
02:27:29.750 --> 02:27:33.480
SBU CFNS: That's a fine that I have the

1242
02:27:33.860 --> 02:27:35.170
that needs to hold.

1243
02:27:37.360 --> 02:27:47.960
SBU CFNS: and that's that's not true, we it so if I have a device, if I have a module that produces

1244
02:27:48.160 --> 02:27:50.730
SBU CFNS: 4 backers to be on the same.

1245
02:27:51.870 --> 02:27:54.830
SBU CFNS: and I decide i'm changing. How would I?

1246
02:27:58.330 --> 02:28:02.049
SBU CFNS: The interface? The only interface is on the other side. Where?

1247
02:28:02.210 --> 02:28:14.540
SBU CFNS: Oh, you have. You have provides that, and you changed it, and

1248
02:28:31.550 --> 02:28:37.649
SBU CFNS: I mean, of course, what you can do is to write an

1249
02:28:41.420 --> 02:28:42.300
SBU CFNS: but I

1250
02:28:42.400 --> 02:28:48.580
SBU CFNS: But as soon as you write some

1251
02:28:51.350 --> 02:28:52.030
Okay.

1252
02:28:54.920 --> 02:29:14.110
SBU CFNS: Yeah. So.

1253
02:29:14.120 --> 02:29:18.919
SBU CFNS: But then you still have to to synchronize the names of these in the data structure.

1254
02:29:19.380 --> 02:29:28.870
SBU CFNS: But it's in most.

1255
02:29:30.360 --> 02:29:33.120
SBU CFNS: This is what, yeah. So

1256
02:29:33.420 --> 02:29:34.320
SBU CFNS: here is.

1257
02:29:34.950 --> 02:29:38.209
SBU CFNS: Okay.

1258
02:29:38.650 --> 02:29:45.730
SBU CFNS: There's always any 2 piece of code must all, if they're talking

1259
02:29:46.690 --> 02:29:55.530
SBU CFNS: it. And for most things most applications that I write like, not write better files that describe the

1260
02:29:55.570 --> 02:30:03.699
SBU CFNS: the data is the implicitly defined and described by the code that generates it, and then I have the

1261
02:30:04.510 --> 02:30:07.180
SBU CFNS: So

1262
02:30:07.480 --> 02:30:25.300
SBU CFNS: I I I really have to come down. If you do it this way. This

1263
02:30:25.310 --> 02:30:40.010
SBU CFNS: it's the really we know back practice. I'm sorry, but even if you do it this way, you still have to synchronize the way that and the writer. So you have to emphasize the traditional

1264
02:30:40.200 --> 02:30:50.679
SBU CFNS: writing a header file that comes with this in the file, because I thought to read that error file. And if you would understand and write code that understands that everybody needs

1265
02:30:52.980 --> 02:30:58.660
SBU CFNS: but it's. This is

1266
02:30:58.980 --> 02:31:03.160
SBU CFNS: the head of my mood. Does this? This is the purpose of root

1267
02:31:03.230 --> 02:31:14.020
SBU CFNS: dictionary that you can.

1268
02:31:14.040 --> 02:31:16.079
SBU CFNS: 50% of

1269
02:31:16.580 --> 02:31:21.790
SBU CFNS: right. And that needs dictionary, that dictionary. It's a head of that. That's how it works

1270
02:31:22.010 --> 02:31:22.920
sure.

1271
02:31:23.360 --> 02:31:24.100
SBU CFNS: right.

1272
02:31:24.170 --> 02:31:24.900
So

1273
02:31:26.380 --> 02:31:29.409
SBU CFNS: so so to to this implicit

1274
02:31:29.590 --> 02:31:32.720
SBU CFNS: right, this is.

1275
02:31:32.850 --> 02:31:42.850
SBU CFNS: But even if it, this would be the way, it would not change the problem. It would like actually worse, because you know, cannot be checked, that your that you are, that you are, in your case, change

1276
02:31:43.130 --> 02:31:48.070
SBU CFNS: the headquarters in 1%. At least you can detect that the data form on this is not what you expect.

1277
02:31:48.420 --> 02:31:52.269
SBU CFNS: But if we, if you come up with that, you still have to supervise both.

1278
02:31:52.790 --> 02:31:53.530
Okay.

1279
02:31:54.020 --> 02:32:02.409
SBU CFNS: right. And and now, if you, if you last now that, that that means that you can only comply that before it's the other people in the

1280
02:32:04.210 --> 02:32:19.350
SBU CFNS: well. Actually, this is. You can still compile both of them. But they won't back together, and i'm sure that's the I don't issue for for this discussion in my mind is more effective. This is now in 2 separate.

1281
02:32:19.460 --> 02:32:23.020
SBU CFNS: and then you have to save an iphone. And all of this

1282
02:32:23.430 --> 02:32:26.170
SBU CFNS: all of this is.

1283
02:32:27.480 --> 02:32:34.509
SBU CFNS: But if I have one which right out of 5 the other one should be, I will be both of them.

1284
02:32:40.620 --> 02:32:48.390
SBU CFNS: But why is it the software tool, if you never compile it alone.

1285
02:32:48.970 --> 02:32:51.870
SBU CFNS: Yeah. But now we don't have much interfaces, because

1286
02:32:52.170 --> 02:32:53.990
yeah.

1287
02:32:54.220 --> 02:32:56.519
SBU CFNS: but this will change in the future.

1288
02:32:56.670 --> 02:33:01.570
SBU CFNS: I was in the future. But I have a simulation which reads something. Oh, if you want to digitize that otherwise.

1289
02:33:02.050 --> 02:33:04.230
SBU CFNS: and then and then

1290
02:33:04.570 --> 02:33:06.340
SBU CFNS: very that straight

1291
02:33:06.500 --> 02:33:12.910
SBU CFNS: Yeah, I mean at some point you have to run your simulation finger analysis.

1292
02:33:13.240 --> 02:33:17.649
SBU CFNS: right? And so it's my middle problem.

1293
02:33:17.870 --> 02:33:20.480
SBU CFNS: Well, it just sounds like it's more

1294
02:33:21.440 --> 02:33:27.579
SBU CFNS: to me it. It it ends up being more overhead to achieve the same.

1295
02:33:27.770 --> 02:33:47.280
SBU CFNS: Okay.

1296
02:33:47.630 --> 02:33:58.749
SBU CFNS: I mean, obviously, it's it's also it's also

1297
02:33:58.920 --> 02:34:11.270
SBU CFNS: that's the only thing that yeah, I was gonna say any time after.

1298
02:34:12.750 --> 02:34:13.570
SBU CFNS: Yeah.

1299
02:34:13.680 --> 02:34:28.519
SBU CFNS: Yeah, because you don't want to find out when you're in the 30. I mean, you. You sit down and you take the time. And then you sit in the physical room for a zoom room, all students and you update them all together.

1300
02:34:28.530 --> 02:34:37.480
SBU CFNS: And you say, okay, now we're set and we're ready. And then that should bring my new students.

1301
02:34:37.540 --> 02:34:43.070
SBU CFNS: Yeah, I I have some some comments on that a day that some of them are just.

1302
02:34:43.360 --> 02:34:52.609
SBU CFNS: They're just all over. so some of the useful features that Hooker brings you're spoken through the

1303
02:34:52.690 --> 02:35:06.919
SBU CFNS: so you can load your gauntry. we will talk about Gdm: a little bit. and there's 3 of the events place, and you can turn the techers on and off in your next slide to be fair. This this bucket it needs to be message, but I haven't actually had on the end.

1304
02:35:06.930 --> 02:35:14.880
SBU CFNS: Yeah, sure, I just think that the framework of there is an ability to have d rendering is there? You know, each right, our own open Gl.

1305
02:35:15.200 --> 02:35:20.679
SBU CFNS: software. So right, that's all they can do there. there's a visual cooker. I'll show you a

1306
02:35:22.350 --> 02:35:38.900
SBU CFNS: screenshot of that shortly. but the idea is this is for invite events analysis, and you have a little two-dimensional gui there's the ability to write bund in both overall database so that it. This is all stuff that I could show screen trials or host that it's up, but didn't want you to be business kind of detectable.

1307
02:35:38.910 --> 02:35:58.769
SBU CFNS: but if you can write, run in votes for a remote database, so you can write. I didn't go in this run. The new currently was hex, and in this run to be, and you already have this database set up sitting on server here. It's so. We broke their views, or you could just say, Give me all of the runs that have a deeper in between and block, or whatever

1308
02:35:59.040 --> 02:36:09.140
SBU CFNS: whatever you want, so you can. You can define a tag. You can save it to the database. You could say

1309
02:36:09.590 --> 02:36:21.259
SBU CFNS: they hit multiplicity in the jets right. They just, for example, right if I any tag you want, and then you can see if it's one thing that we should think about it down the road that i'll just put in

1310
02:36:21.350 --> 02:36:26.969
SBU CFNS: general. This is we will also potentially want to think about

1311
02:36:27.200 --> 02:36:29.780
SBU CFNS: our analysis.

1312
02:36:30.520 --> 02:36:32.990
essentially the

1313
02:36:33.900 --> 02:36:34.690
okay.

1314
02:36:37.590 --> 02:36:39.729
SBU CFNS: If we get there from that base.

1315
02:36:54.920 --> 02:37:11.900
SBU CFNS: what? What's the current of that?

1316
02:37:12.130 --> 02:37:13.369
Okay?

1317
02:37:13.770 --> 02:37:21.720
SBU CFNS: And as long as we can come on with that.

1318
02:38:25.360 --> 02:38:26.430
So

1319
02:38:29.370 --> 02:38:43.049
SBU CFNS: yeah, so we we, this is this is so. So this this we have that for for me to say essentially like the first level of packets right in. But oh, this one have these arrows, this one had this many events, this one had

1320
02:38:43.160 --> 02:38:47.289
SBU CFNS: we calculated

1321
02:38:47.420 --> 02:38:48.640
what actually

1322
02:38:54.890 --> 02:38:56.060
we

1323
02:38:56.430 --> 02:39:15.209
SBU CFNS: you cannot delete, I mean for you in principle. You can delete I I mean they need the the passwords, but it's a it's a it's a it's it's it's it's it's it's in the X 5, one number and check 9.

1324
02:39:15.220 --> 02:39:18.310
SBU CFNS: So it'll be right the same on the same technology. We're like right?

1325
02:39:18.910 --> 02:39:38.810
SBU CFNS: So it's very

1326
02:39:38.820 --> 02:39:45.699
SBU CFNS: everybody has.

1327
02:39:45.860 --> 02:39:59.440
SBU CFNS: because we don't want everybody to do this because we don't want everybody to

1328
02:39:59.660 --> 02:40:02.509
SBU CFNS: and every other.

1329
02:40:02.720 --> 02:40:08.570
SBU CFNS: so you can.

1330
02:40:08.650 --> 02:40:12.930
SBU CFNS: if not just one, and say, oh, I would have written this

1331
02:40:16.440 --> 02:40:24.029
SBU CFNS: I I I want you to encourage safety, so that it does not accident

1332
02:40:29.280 --> 02:40:30.820
because they

1333
02:40:32.280 --> 02:40:37.989
SBU CFNS: yeah, I mean it. It's set up in.

1334
02:40:50.440 --> 02:41:05.080
SBU CFNS: It should not be in my program that you need to be on the website, because nobody stops you from using the post. Best slide interface to connect with you.

1335
02:41:05.210 --> 02:41:05.860
Okay.

1336
02:41:07.550 --> 02:41:08.470
SBU CFNS: that's

1337
02:41:10.130 --> 02:41:10.840
It's.

1338
02:41:11.120 --> 02:41:13.460
SBU CFNS: Yeah.

1339
02:41:21.070 --> 02:41:26.070
SBU CFNS: So I

1340
02:41:26.300 --> 02:41:30.429
SBU CFNS: if there's just a one line or you put in your code, save in both.

1341
02:41:30.540 --> 02:41:31.940
SBU CFNS: Okay.

1342
02:41:32.600 --> 02:41:42.320
SBU CFNS: that the the student that you're training to use it. Doesn't need to know about those questions. I think you can teach them. It's great learning opportunity. They don't need to know all the

1343
02:41:48.070 --> 02:41:49.780
Yeah, that's nice.

1344
02:41:51.560 --> 02:41:54.800
SBU CFNS: Yeah. okay,

1345
02:41:55.940 --> 02:41:59.449
SBU CFNS: Yeah, we

1346
02:42:00.530 --> 02:42:06.279
SBU CFNS: So and I think there's actually

1347
02:42:06.900 --> 02:42:13.870
SBU CFNS: I like it.

1348
02:42:14.560 --> 02:42:33.410
SBU CFNS: okay, so the cooker, is it's all of that, or it's it's up so every plugin is essentially a class that encourage from base plugin class the base plug in class provides a lot of, you know, useful features, and some grab it instrument. So you don't need to mess too much with the

1349
02:42:33.420 --> 02:42:36.520
SBU CFNS: including T. H. One D. Definitions which you can do

1350
02:42:36.580 --> 02:42:45.919
SBU CFNS: that annoying but on the other again, some of these rather prototyping things are slow. When you go to production data analysis,

1351
02:42:45.970 --> 02:42:52.290
SBU CFNS: advantages and disadvantages, and then you gotta keep your and think about how to do Your stuff runs.

1352
02:42:53.220 --> 02:42:59.399
SBU CFNS: it's fairly easily. It's not extensible to handle external libraries. We use Jennifer for tracking so

1353
02:43:00.200 --> 02:43:18.700
SBU CFNS: it's all, c. Make this so you have some external library that we must add it, and if there's some particular reason why it's not included. you just have this library that's sitting somewhere right in You make link to this library, and you're done and then you realize that by call it doesn't work, because the default finds. See me provided by that package

1354
02:43:18.710 --> 02:43:23.289
SBU CFNS: it doesn't work with em on, Max. So you have to write your own fine C. Make your team

1355
02:43:26.570 --> 02:43:27.570
and well.

1356
02:43:28.000 --> 02:43:34.449
SBU CFNS: it's a small. It's. Well. Yeah, it's our own home group problem for Max, and that's just lots of problems.

1357
02:43:34.470 --> 02:43:35.770
SBU CFNS: And no, I want to.

1358
02:43:36.460 --> 02:43:37.199
Yeah.

1359
02:43:40.600 --> 02:43:41.350
What

1360
02:43:43.110 --> 02:43:52.959
SBU CFNS: you could pass arbitrary bench, many back from the command lines any plugin so you can really steer the the way your your plugin works by passing the

1361
02:43:53.090 --> 02:44:02.150
SBU CFNS: syntax already developed. So you can say that for this plug in essentially a class this function is simply a variable, and then you can just kind of override. It calls that way.

1362
02:44:02.380 --> 02:44:04.210
SBU CFNS: which is fairly

1363
02:44:05.010 --> 02:44:28.829
SBU CFNS: built in framework for handing, handling and Google config files. So you could say, for the set of runs these damage channels were masked, and then, because they were no we see or dead. Then these other set of runs. They were masked, and it started building an accent. This, all within xml built in xml partial parser, so you could look run by, run for how different! And then this is really nice for your simulation digitization.

1364
02:44:29.230 --> 02:44:48.199
SBU CFNS: we use

1365
02:44:49.750 --> 02:45:09.260
SBU CFNS: It's a it's a really nice I've I've got some experience with my this. I like it a lot. It's got to make a lot of nice usable features. So yeah, muse uses these Trv system system that the the that guy was talking about, and he said, oh, top of let's not use it.

1366
02:45:09.730 --> 02:45:11.620
SBU CFNS: Yeah.

1367
02:45:11.670 --> 02:45:21.089
SBU CFNS: it's one experiment, but it's not in the building. Invite us. So it's essentially rise.

1368
02:45:22.000 --> 02:45:37.130
SBU CFNS: So the data streams. One file or not synchronize it's actually it's good. That's it. OS. Because not always the synchronization online. But at first we have more than one try.

1369
02:45:37.140 --> 02:45:54.290
SBU CFNS: Part of that is also from this therapy free, using the way they it could have been done differently. But it was. I would try to avoid that. Yeah. And for warning that someone says they're using charity for you. So

1370
02:45:54.450 --> 02:46:11.020
SBU CFNS: yeah, okay, I'm not on visual coer. So this is, again, a huge specific example. But it's just nice to look at. this is a pop up, gui. So when you when you pile the cooker, you get a variety of binaries, it's not one. Call it's just viscos, and the landline for Visual Cooper.

1371
02:46:11.030 --> 02:46:15.789
SBU CFNS: the the kind of the key takeaways is that it's on the screen here so much at

1372
02:46:16.040 --> 02:46:31.979
SBU CFNS: particular figure here. so much is the fact that, you can divide that as many tabs as you want, that all have t campuses that you can drop things on. So what we're doing here is drawing hits in our straw to tracker, and any track that is the best in line to those sits in our tracker.

1373
02:46:31.990 --> 02:46:47.670
SBU CFNS: So we have some way of adding some low-level, two-dimensional event display where we can look at. Then, by event of what's going on. There's also a histograms. Tabs all the Instagram you that right within that plugin are also accessible, and you're on there. It's just gradually live. Update.

1374
02:46:47.680 --> 02:47:06.809
SBU CFNS: you can step through, and then it individually. then, by events, by 10 min, under events, you know whatever you want. If you skip to certain events. go back events. resets the tree actually. So if you really need to go back, it can be broad events or over again. if you have this populated, you can click the clear button

1375
02:47:06.820 --> 02:47:16.670
SBU CFNS: and it will clear the events. And then you go back and step on it. You set through that events. and you see the Instagram, it populated for just that event, really low, level, debugging.

1376
02:47:16.770 --> 02:47:29.219
SBU CFNS: Yeah, you could do ranges of events, you can run over the entire thing. then there's this auto clear button. Here's they can automatically clear event by that. So you don't actually need to with your button

1377
02:47:29.320 --> 02:47:30.990
SBU CFNS: go to events.

1378
02:47:31.260 --> 02:47:43.530
SBU CFNS: I'll have you something that just because of the and it will see all the systems she generates the right way. So with the packet infrastructure

1379
02:47:43.690 --> 02:47:49.269
SBU CFNS: like, it just sets the normal. It's. You can make a list of that.

1380
02:48:10.910 --> 02:48:18.700
SBU CFNS: okay. So now we're talking about recipes. Oh, great! it's only

1381
02:48:19.390 --> 02:48:22.740
I actually can

1382
02:48:23.160 --> 02:48:24.970
SBU CFNS: let me back up a little bit.

1383
02:48:25.010 --> 02:48:32.780
SBU CFNS: so so that is probably what actually

1384
02:48:33.000 --> 02:48:34.130
SBU CFNS: and

1385
02:48:38.470 --> 02:48:44.079
SBU CFNS: alright. It's it's after we?

1386
02:48:44.720 --> 02:48:50.280
SBU CFNS: Yeah.

1387
02:49:01.830 --> 02:49:12.069
SBU CFNS: so you know I me of a cooker poker command cooker. This binary gemini got xml, and then gems this is a recipe

1388
02:49:12.470 --> 02:49:14.519
SBU CFNS: input file.

1389
02:49:14.710 --> 02:49:16.219
SBU CFNS: Oh, good bye.

1390
02:49:16.460 --> 02:49:17.190
SBU CFNS: Great.

1391
02:49:18.130 --> 02:49:19.339
So that always takes one of them.

1392
02:49:20.730 --> 02:49:25.650
SBU CFNS: one.

1393
02:49:25.880 --> 02:49:27.670
SBU CFNS: Yeah, I I

1394
02:49:27.850 --> 02:49:31.590
So

1395
02:49:31.850 --> 02:49:32.590
okay.

1396
02:49:33.220 --> 02:49:37.640
So why not?

1397
02:49:38.830 --> 02:49:43.960
Because then you have to

1398
02:49:43.980 --> 02:49:44.920
a second

1399
02:49:53.940 --> 02:49:54.530
I

1400
02:49:54.660 --> 02:50:02.960
SBU CFNS: it's easier to do it on the shell right, and then have one recipe and then have your shell

1401
02:50:03.000 --> 02:50:04.570
say agreement.

1402
02:50:04.650 --> 02:50:07.149
SBU CFNS: This is this and that.

1403
02:50:18.510 --> 02:50:25.369
SBU CFNS: So now, if you want to calibrate one.

1404
02:50:25.760 --> 02:50:31.810
SBU CFNS: this what I mean. So we'll take the

1405
02:50:31.830 --> 02:50:33.250
SBU CFNS: We talk already.

1406
02:50:33.900 --> 02:50:38.090
SBU CFNS: You might be able to kind of analyze those

1407
02:50:38.210 --> 02:50:39.289
SBU CFNS: independent.

1408
02:50:39.590 --> 02:50:43.189
SBU CFNS: So since you need that sort of like

1409
02:50:43.520 --> 02:50:46.750
SBU CFNS: higher level analysis already performed

1410
02:50:46.770 --> 02:50:50.129
SBU CFNS: to detain your calibration.

1411
02:50:50.240 --> 02:50:53.369
and they go

1412
02:50:55.360 --> 02:50:58.819
SBU CFNS: so in that sense. Now those I think we can be

1413
02:51:05.510 --> 02:51:07.259
only confused.

1414
02:51:07.380 --> 02:51:08.000
Okay.

1415
02:51:23.890 --> 02:51:28.980
SBU CFNS: this is not I. I'm not

1416
02:51:29.250 --> 02:51:43.799
SBU CFNS: it. It's fine. It works so i'll. I'll kind of let you so so here we're just looking at the Gemini recipe for this for processing the gems. because Michael is here. We can talk about again.

1417
02:51:43.810 --> 02:52:02.599
SBU CFNS: there are a few cover specific tags that are here. You can give the source screen. So this is the tree that's in your input file. and then you have the destination tree, which is the tree that will be created. in your output File and these are streaming in Paris. So you know it's it's

1418
02:52:02.610 --> 02:52:08.790
SBU CFNS: It's definitely the name of the tree. It's only the name of the tree. Now you have to let it Exactly.

1419
02:52:09.020 --> 02:52:14.589
SBU CFNS: Yeah. but I mean, if you, if you accidentally capitalize something.

1420
02:52:14.610 --> 02:52:23.710
SBU CFNS: this is essentially some type of

1421
02:52:23.740 --> 02:52:39.190
SBU CFNS: and then you have tags for plugins. so you can have multiple plugins. I'll show an example of that later. Here's what an individual plugin looks like this name tag is that finding the Gemini name, which is a later in the recipe. So you know what that

1422
02:52:39.200 --> 02:52:45.370
SBU CFNS: function to call for the plugin. The file is the and Ted output

1423
02:52:45.750 --> 02:52:57.280
SBU CFNS: right shared object. So it's all somewhere. This is the actual plugin that we call. So you're You're defining the tag name and then you're associating it with a specific plugin.

1424
02:52:57.330 --> 02:52:59.449
SBU CFNS: but I can simply have

1425
02:52:59.620 --> 02:53:07.799
SBU CFNS: several. Gemini is several.

1426
02:53:08.160 --> 02:53:21.279
SBU CFNS: Yeah, and then there are Ryan, you Cooper specific tanks here that are called in specific orders, and there's usually comments up in the recipe, so we know what gets called at what time

1427
02:53:21.290 --> 02:53:38.819
SBU CFNS: but the idea is we look at Startup. This is a pump. All the functions that are called here are all once before the data processing begins. So we have the Gemini tag. So we know we're calling the Gemini plugin, and then we're looking for this function in the Gemini plugin, and it is called and brand.

1428
02:53:39.020 --> 02:53:43.630
SBU CFNS: and that's why, and then we also have it. It takes more so.

1429
02:53:44.770 --> 02:53:49.280
SBU CFNS: And then you have this startup function here as well.

1430
02:53:49.550 --> 02:53:57.609
SBU CFNS: and then these are, you know, typically to find your histograms or setting initial branders whatever before you actually get in the process.

1431
02:53:57.650 --> 02:54:13.760
SBU CFNS: then, in execute. This function is then call for every event in the order of events, and in the order of appearance. So the process function is called first. you could have another function on that. That would be called after the for that event on the process

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SBU CFNS: I could say.

1433
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Okay.

1434
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SBU CFNS: and then the you can kind of share some examples of this. But, the the poker is set up in such a way that you can have You didn't change your plugins together, so you can say our Jen's produce clusters, and that's your outlook. And then you could write another recipe. That case the clustered file and do subscribe, or you could write a single recipe that takes raw data. Does the clustering in one pass for run they execute, and then, under need.

1435
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SBU CFNS: the tracking plugin to just grab that from the input and use the track. They don't say it's it's it's Separate the separate line underneath the gemini. Process. So you have your jum tracking plugin that will set and its own process function, or that

1436
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SBU CFNS: is there. Is there a live.

1437
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SBU CFNS: and then you, I don't know what to show this. But the plug in this functions we get branches of trees.

1438
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SBU CFNS: We say, I want this.

1439
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SBU CFNS: and the the typical way to do this is to

1440
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Yeah.

1441
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SBU CFNS: so then there's the post-process tag. So I have you over the day at once. You can then call functions that are only be run once to calibrate whatever you see this extract some branders

1442
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SBU CFNS: actually you to pass through the day the second time you want and then a finalize your team, which is functions that are called at the At the once. There you go. It's just gonna say, you know, the ability to actually move over to the to 3 times. we can do more, but generally you probably want to be back to your code rather than having

1443
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SBU CFNS: zoom out here. Can I go next?

1444
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Yeah.

1445
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SBU CFNS: And

1446
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SBU CFNS: over we'll go different right? and we there's some level of quality you need to do but in principle.

1447
02:57:24.710 --> 02:57:33.369
SBU CFNS: and then you should run your codes and check that, whether or not

1448
02:57:37.110 --> 02:57:44.010
SBU CFNS: it'll give you a

1449
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stronger than

1450
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SBU CFNS: anyway. So here's how you load multiple plugins. You just say, you know, here's your plugin tag. Here's plug in one. There's plug in 2, and then you can just call those functions right next to each other. They are. They are all in order to

1451
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SBU CFNS: great

1452
02:58:03.330 --> 02:58:07.190
SBU CFNS: what happens if you want multiple input trees?

1453
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SBU CFNS: or more in the files. You just have the tree names in your source here, and you say, my, I want the tree that's got to be motor school

1454
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SBU CFNS: name the tree, and I want the the gem I plug in for earlier. And then you just separate those input files with a full of

1455
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SBU CFNS: and that's just standard batch syntax, and that's how you load it in multiple. There's no additional overhead needed. aside from potentially on what your login is doing a few additional lines and start up to get the the different branches from the streams. When you're writing that code, you know.

1456
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SBU CFNS: so the current layout. this is a little bit complicated. with the idea is we have this the the dark like cooker repo and that gets fed by the event Generator Going to

1457
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SBU CFNS: Resolution code essentially is written. Then, if we wanted to run this through the poker to digitize it, for example, right? It's all external, and it gets fed in right now. i'm sorry you get Spanish, the cooker, and this is the the status where we have right now.

1458
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SBU CFNS: The cooker itself is a few top-level directories. The Source directory the init Directory, which contains some of the the plugin level calibration stuff, and and there are further in in directories for each plugin that that lower levels down

1459
02:59:30.380 --> 02:59:35.150
SBU CFNS: kind of a detailed to. there are recipes in here.

1460
02:59:35.510 --> 02:59:47.689
SBU CFNS: for detector and analysis recipes. We already kind of talked about that there's a top level include directory. We can contain your device definitions within the Source Directory. You have the definition of the tree and your your

1461
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SBU CFNS: the the implementation of the tree various libraries. I'll give an example of one of the challenges libraries, and then you have the Plugins Directory here which has your analysis and detector plugins for and stuff like that, and they competed with each other.

1462
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SBU CFNS: so the proposed layout is you already kind of to read on

1463
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SBU CFNS: in in the Source Directory. We have the event generators. We keep the Monte Carlo in in in the Plugins Directory. Maybe not necessarily. The Plugins Direct Directory will be treated as a plugin, and the Resolution code would be the analysis for the Monte Carlo, for example, the digitization or other.

1464
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SBU CFNS: Now I would say this is, I would say, this is, I would just put it in source. Yeah, you could put it up there. that kind of parallel to the generator. and then I was thinking that you could write different recipes or different Command Line

1465
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SBU CFNS: arguments for whether you want to run a one day or another one.

1466
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SBU CFNS: we already talked about. Well, dependencies. There's a whole bunch of dependencies. but I think that can actually be really produce that Tgl and Gsl. Or current, but their dependencies that I think, are actually Olympus left over, that we don't eat any one. So the only thing cooker really needs is root.

1467
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SBU CFNS: No surprise there. boost excel or external parsing cl have webex and all our small parsing and lsma we've got loading compression as well, so you can specify in line, argument, compressor, and files.

1468
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SBU CFNS: the only requirements that you can install Ruby a package manager. Some people do that, and generally you shouldn't do it because it'll have various options turned on that. We don't have control over but really the big things you need that may not be enabled in your typical installation or xml and Gd. Now.

1469
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SBU CFNS: that's our challenging Jan for dependencies. nothing really. In addition to the fact that we need a visualization which typically you in jail, for at Gdm this is almost never turned on by

1470
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SBU CFNS: I don't know why, but it in your versions of it is this is how I I envision us communicating the geometry from that work.

1471
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SBU CFNS: so I gave this list of cedar modules that need to be loaded, and I need to write up on on how that can actually be done. But I think

1472
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SBU CFNS: no, I I almost look out about it.

1473
03:02:50.450 --> 03:02:52.500
SBU CFNS: Oh, yeah.

1474
03:02:56.340 --> 03:02:59.639
SBU CFNS: so we'll just read

1475
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SBU CFNS: especially the geometry currently the the way it's it's set up. For example, Once we have survey. You have the survey. Come into the Monte Carlo, and and it's the cooker kind of separately. you have the Monte Carlo. Provide the Gdml and run the full simulation, and then both the easy to get into the cooker skew. The full analysis which gets combined with the whole simulation to get a physics result. the doctoral pads. So they're named in biodiversity. They synchronize. We've already covered that to death.

1476
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SBU CFNS: the way we we propose to when we get into everything we'll do it. I've I've done and and use you know, survey feeding into Monte Carlo, which uses a gdml which is that direct

1477
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SBU CFNS: and then that the cooker now has the the geometry. that's the source of treat for everything, and it can on simulation. This is plug in with that geometry or the analysis it runs in tandem, and then you can find things if it into a violent

1478
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SBU CFNS: survey.

1479
03:04:00.220 --> 03:04:01.850
SBU CFNS: Yeah.

1480
03:04:02.100 --> 03:04:16.929
SBU CFNS: this is a really big issue for you. That's big an issue here. But it's yeah, it's it's just an example on on how you keep things kind of super nice. I'm i'm. I'm actually not sure

1481
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that that we don't need this.

1482
03:04:27.320 --> 03:04:43.899
SBU CFNS: So the the case study on on how you unify the geometry, and and how you load the this geometry loader that

1483
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SBU CFNS: produces this gdml file, which we may or may not be. Well, I already showed it to you in the example how you have multiple plugins. We have one recipe. You have the geometry loader plugin you run the startup, and then there's a one liner in your plugin that

1484
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SBU CFNS: it's that object that's stored in the retreat. and and there's a built in parser and the end user doesn't have to think about it other than saying what's the position of this detector? For example, when you do that

1485
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SBU CFNS: vinyl boss already talked about this. We're not merging anything, the collaboration. Okay, I think to believe that generators into the quicker as well, just to to keep things going to be 2 separated, and all these different git repos because of lazy, and I like to type a call and get full once not in separate directories.

1486
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SBU CFNS: see, they generally keep things separated and then modular. So the student only wants to do one thing. They don't need to have everything installed. They do get the phone and then work on it as well.

1487
03:05:39.880 --> 03:05:49.040
SBU CFNS: Well, we already talked about that. So we agreed something completely different, though someone under I wanted to talk about workshop, and we've already done that.

1488
03:05:49.790 --> 03:05:53.530
SBU CFNS: Good questions, comments, concerns criticisms.

1489
03:05:54.440 --> 03:06:00.079
SBU CFNS: are there other framework that you want to use instead of the Covariance

1490
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SBU CFNS: I we had more time. It was this: I was a little discussion here where I i'm obviously super biased, and I almost exclusively good to cook as a framework. That's what i'm familiar with. But if people have other frameworks that they think are worth using, i'm happy to learn

1491
03:06:32.590 --> 03:06:37.030
SBU CFNS: good it's. I mean?

1492
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SBU CFNS: no, I didn't know.